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I believe a Yak 18T can squeeze 3 little ones across the back?
Good for short-field as well
The seats are a bit hard, but you can just flip it inverted to relieve any numbness
Good for short-field as well
The seats are a bit hard, but you can just flip it inverted to relieve any numbness
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Without wanting to commit thread drift;
You mean NTSB ? Loads of Maule reports over there.
There's lots of Piper, Supercub, Cessna reports as well. Should we assume they're badly built too?
If you flew a Maule once only, then surely you're not best placed to pass judgement on it? If an owner of such an aircraft is ready to sing it's praises, I would count that more valuable advice.
You are joking, there is no market for a Maule in Europe, nobody buys that over here, Maules stay on the market for LONG!!!!!
There are, according to G-INFO, 31 Maules currently on the UK register. There's only 38 Mooneys and 30 Barons too, but I don't think it could be said that there's a lack of a market for those types in Europe either.
Now back to the original question!
What about a Cherokee Six? You said you wanted to stay away from 6-seaters due cost, but prehaps a fixed-gear, non-turbo version would compete in operating/purchase costs with something like a Cessna 210 etc.
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Do some internet research,
Do some internet research,
I flew a Maule once, this is nothing for Europe, Africa maybe. The poster asked for reasonably quick, IFR, 5 seater, that is not the Maule
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sell it in Europe for a profit!
sell it in Europe for a profit!
Now back to the original question!
What about a Cherokee Six? You said you wanted to stay away from 6-seaters due cost, but prehaps a fixed-gear, non-turbo version would compete in operating/purchase costs with something like a Cessna 210 etc.
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Also depends a bit on how long you intend to keep the plane. Little Ones don't stay little for long !
Other than that, I'd probably go down the C206/210 route. Easier to load than a Cherokee 6 (might be a factor convincing management ), good views and great all-round a/c.
Other than that, I'd probably go down the C206/210 route. Easier to load than a Cherokee 6 (might be a factor convincing management
), good views and great all-round a/c.
Maule is a badly constructed plane with a cheap airframe and an oversized engine.
When you are flying a Maule you must understand you act as a 'test' pilot.
When you are flying a Maule you must understand you act as a 'test' pilot.
The airframe is seldom disparaged by those who know what they're talking about, and well respected by those who who do.
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Can anyone offer operating cost comparisons between a TB20 and C206 and C210? Also any info on a C182 carrying a 5th seat?
Enough on the Maule please! I am sure those who love 'em, love em', and those who don't, don't.
Enough on the Maule please! I am sure those who love 'em, love em', and those who don't, don't.
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I fly the 182 quite a bit. While it's a great a/c, frankly I don't think it is suitable for the mission profile you propose. The baggage area is not much larger than on a 172 and the 5th seat would take up half of that. Touring with 5 in a 182? Not really an option.
I can't let that one go!
9.5 gph, at 7000', 120 kts TAS.
Okay, it's not 140, or 180 - but then it doesn't cost the same to buy something that quick (with 4-5 seats) either.
It is fantastic in Africa or Alaska, it is also good in Europe etc.
Ask about, they have a great reputation (for their cost) - apples to apples, please! Mine's a 1995, 1700h on the tach, panel mount gps, dual navcom, constant speed prop, cost was comfortably under USD60K.
For our original poster, for Eur100K he gets, in all but name, a new airframe. Or he spends 80K on aircraft, plus his FAA IR, plus all the electronics he can get in there, plus costs of flying it back, plus taking the wife for a 5* week to the Bahamas to convince her that it doesn't look so bad.
Sam.
PS at the risk of going 'subjective', I also like how she looks!
Okay, it's not 140, or 180 - but then it doesn't cost the same to buy something that quick (with 4-5 seats) either.
It is fantastic in Africa or Alaska, it is also good in Europe etc.
Ask about, they have a great reputation (for their cost) - apples to apples, please! Mine's a 1995, 1700h on the tach, panel mount gps, dual navcom, constant speed prop, cost was comfortably under USD60K.
For our original poster, for Eur100K he gets, in all but name, a new airframe. Or he spends 80K on aircraft, plus his FAA IR, plus all the electronics he can get in there, plus costs of flying it back, plus taking the wife for a 5* week to the Bahamas to convince her that it doesn't look so bad.
Sam.
PS at the risk of going 'subjective', I also like how she looks!
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Go for a PA32 Saratoga / Lance (great range if you don't load all the PAX), a Bonanza F33A (very nice to fly, lower autonomy, 5th seat as an option), or a C210... or if you can afford it, a P210, then you'll get better IFR capability.
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Any owners of aforementioned types have any operating cost spreadsheets to pm me? All info greatly appreciated. looking at private G-reg or N-reg, 200 hrs pa.
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I second the TB20 but I don't think all have 5 seats officially. Mine is a 2002 TB20GT and there are just 2 seat belts in the back.
Reportedly some U.S. owners have removed the middle seat belt because it saves on insurance premiums (fewer passenger seats).
Otherwise, the TB20 is a great plane, the best of the lot of you want something "nice" and very capable.
However, for long legs (I don't mean womens' legs) you need to consider the creature comfort. A 5-seater will have no room to move about if you have 5 crammed in there. I fly many 5+ hour legs with my girlfriend and she often likes to climb in the back seat and have a sleep, or make some food, or just have a stretch. Or use the "loo" (the plastic bottle thingy) with some dignity. Anyway, with survival gear (a raft, a bag with some stuff like a GPS and a radio/EPIRB) that's one seat gone.
One ends up with a much bigger and much more expensive to operate plane...
Re operating cost, this depends much on age. An aluminium airframe should cost next to nothing for the first 15 years or so, assuming it has not been maintained by apes (quite an assumption especially if you take it to big JAR/EASA maint companies). So it's a tradeoff between a new/newish plane and low maint costs, and an old one with less spent up front but lots and lots spent regularly afterwards.
Euro 100k might buy a right old heap. Any IFR 4/5 seater for Euro 100k is going to be in a state. A good TB20 is 2x that.
Reportedly some U.S. owners have removed the middle seat belt because it saves on insurance premiums (fewer passenger seats).
Otherwise, the TB20 is a great plane, the best of the lot of you want something "nice" and very capable.
However, for long legs (I don't mean womens' legs) you need to consider the creature comfort. A 5-seater will have no room to move about if you have 5 crammed in there. I fly many 5+ hour legs with my girlfriend and she often likes to climb in the back seat and have a sleep, or make some food, or just have a stretch. Or use the "loo" (the plastic bottle thingy) with some dignity. Anyway, with survival gear (a raft, a bag with some stuff like a GPS and a radio/EPIRB) that's one seat gone.
One ends up with a much bigger and much more expensive to operate plane...
Re operating cost, this depends much on age. An aluminium airframe should cost next to nothing for the first 15 years or so, assuming it has not been maintained by apes (quite an assumption especially if you take it to big JAR/EASA maint companies). So it's a tradeoff between a new/newish plane and low maint costs, and an old one with less spent up front but lots and lots spent regularly afterwards.
Euro 100k might buy a right old heap. Any IFR 4/5 seater for Euro 100k is going to be in a state. A good TB20 is 2x that.
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Originally Posted by IO540
Euro 100k might buy a right old heap. Any IFR 4/5 seater for Euro 100k is going to be in a state. A good TB20 is 2x that.
I paid considerably less than Euro 200K for my TB20 - it's not a GT variant, but it's no heap either as a few people here will know. I know of a very nice example for sale in the UK for Euro 134K at current exchange rates - and that's a '98 model.
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I agree CM and in fact once flew in yours but you got that one cheap because the last-1 owner was most keen to sell. That plane was priced about 30% below MV, clearly for an immediate sale.
Euro 100k is a bit tight especially allowing for some work needing to be done.
Euro 100k is a bit tight especially allowing for some work needing to be done.
