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Old 24th Dec 2007, 17:15
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motor gliders + aerobatics

hi all,
Does anyone know of a motor glider that is cleared for aerobatics or is there no such beast.......happy holidays.
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Fournier RF4
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Ahhhhhh!

The Skyhawks and their RF-4s, always enjoyed the display...
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IIRC the humble/standard Grob <can't remember the number> MG is also aerobatic. Reviewed in Pilot a couple of months back.
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aeros

thanks for that........i agree, beautiful aeros....merry christmas
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i really wish my rf3 was aerobatic everytime i fly her!
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thanks folks....so it seems that the rf4 is aerobatic and the rf5 is semi aerobatic....not sure about the Grob 109...and I once saw a Stemme 10 doing a loop. So, if you can think of any others please let me know. Ta.
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i also believe that the old t61 ventures are also capable of performing certain manovers...but wether or i would want to fly upside down in a falke is another matter...!
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Wrong, Grob 109s and 109Bs are NON aerobatic.
See flight Manuals.
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Old 27th Dec 2007, 18:23
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I can't remember the types, but Chris Rollings and his lady partner flew at a recent Farnborough show (2000?) where he was towed up in a glider by the lady, who was flying a powered glider, and they then did formation aerobatics.
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motor gliders + aero's

yeah, as i indicated earlier i wasn't sure about the Grob..thanks
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Old 27th Dec 2007, 23:35
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Chevvron, I recall that Farnborough duo - Chris Rollings' lady partner was Tizi Hodgson in a forebear of the Diamond Star - Tizi was also a member of Skyhawks after Brendan O'B left...
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As I recall the K16 was cleared for basic aerobatics with the engine off only!
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Motor glider aerobatics

There are a number of high-performance motor gliders with retractable engines that are semi-aerobatic with the motor retracted. Examples include DG-400, PIK-30, and some with sustainer motors like Ventus/Discus Turbo etc I'm not sure about motor gliders with fixed engines/props.
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A factory fresh Grob 109 was looped etc with a mate of mine alongside the test pilot during the pre-delivery testing, but they are not cleared for such manoevres in the UK (or presumably in EASA land), why I do not know (manufacturer not prepared to pay for the extra certification?)
I used to loop & chandelle Falkes many years ago without any problem (just watch the entry & exit speeds) but they are getting very old now & I wouldn't risk it personally. The RF4 is lovely to aerobat but can flick if your not careful - again though they're getting old.
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Windex 1200C motor glider, +9 -7 g, Vne 350km/h.

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Brasov IS28M2a, they could be aerobat reasonably well. Not sure on the glide ratio though, always looked/felt heavy to me.
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