SEP (A) Definition

[JP1]

Having failed miserably to find the info on the CAA website, I am posting here..

What is the exact definition of SEP (A)?

What I am basically after is trying to understand if gaining hours in aircfraft such as this qualifies as SEP (A). I know it is in the VLA category but does that means it's not SEP (A)?

Thanks
JP1

[Curtis E Carr]

Check out JAR-FCL 1.215 (including Appendix 1).

Seems like the AT-3 is a SEP(A) to me.

[JP1]

Reading it now.

....... If I could find it

[BEagle]

As this aeroplane is neither a Microlight nor SLMG, it can only be considered to be a SEP Class aeroplane.

Does it have the relevant approvals to fly on the UK register in UK airspace?

[Curtis E Carr]

Suggest you try this.

[JP1]

BEagle,

Since It's now been used by a few clubs for flight training I guess the answer is yes.

CeC

I found that document but it dosen't describe weight limitations or contain section 1.215. I think that the document is only available as a subscription service.

It was only because yesterday was so miserable that I spend maybe 5 hours searching for this information . Still being a student and not familiar with the CAA and JAR site, they are not exactly the easiest sites to navigate.

[Whopity]

SEP is used to define a licensing category.

JAR-FCL 1 Subpart F defines Class Ratings:
JAR-FCL 1.215 Class ratings shall be established for single pilot aeroplanes not requiring a Type rating as follows:
(1) all single engine aeroplanes (This is your SEP, no upper or lower weight limit!)

Therefore, if you have a SEP Class rating in your licence you can fly any single engine aeroplane that does not require a Type Rating.

There is one proviso, JAR-FCL 1.005 (a) (5) Whenever a reference is made to aeroplanes this does not include microlights as defined nationally unless otherwise stated. So you can fly one but cannot claim the hours towards SEP revalidation.

[Curtis E Carr]

My apologies. Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.215 appears to have been removed from the current edition. I have committed the cardinal sin of looking at an out-of-date document.

This explains the criteria to be fulfilled in oder to be certified as a VLA.

This is the Type Certificate Data Sheet for the AT-3.

[Whopity]

Certification criteria are not the same as licensing criteria.
As long as the aeroplane is not a microlight i.e. below 450Kgs then the hours count towards SEP revalidation.

[kitfoxman]

And you can use it to conduct your NPPL SEP training on, if you need it

[Genghis the Engineer]

Just a quick mention about categories.

TMG, Microlight, SEP - these are pilots licencing categories.

Microlight, VLA, part 23, SLMG - these are airworthiness categories.


Note that they do not all co-incide; the only real direct equivalence is the microlight category.

So, don't be confused about the fact that it is a VLA class aeroplane - that is to do with airworthiness, and nothing to do with pilots licencing.

G

[JP1]

Thanks for the answers.

I was trying to get to grips with understanding whether hours accumlated as P1 on this aircraft count towards other licence requirements, eg 70 hours PIC for multi engine, 150 FI cource etc.
Thanks
JP1

[Dave Gittins]

Our club - LTFC at Fairoaks http://www.ltfc.org.uk/ - has an AT-3, which is used for training and "touring" and now has about 95 hours.

If it's not a PPL (A) then there will be some savagely upset guys when they get their license applications or their revalidations refused.

As we have a resident examiner, I am quite certain we are OK.