IMC priveledges

[FullyFlapped]

Thank you.

FF

[Cessna 210 Heavy]

Bose,

Can I just say that I really appreciate yours and everyone else’s efforts in spending your time with the CAA trying to assist other pilots in the UK.

I have just got my hands on a late Piper Saratoga and I am 14hrs through my IMC but throughout the IMC I have thought that it maybe not what I am after, when you look at the kit and performance of the ‘toga. I am looking in taking the ‘toga abroad a few times a year and felt that VFR was just too risky, but obviously the IMC is not recognised outside the UK, so I had almost resided with doing the IR, but would a 40hr a year pilot get the full benefit form a full IR? (I think not)

I have been involved in many working groups, aerospace related, and it is a thankless task. I have had several moments when people have caused me to rethink my activity, just because of the flak that I was getting from people who didn’t agree with my actions. The only reason I stayed committed was a fact that I had pointed out to me, most people will agree and be grateful of the time and efforts that you are taking, others, with luck the minority, will have a few small issues. So with the majority agreeing with you, but saying nothing it’s a truly thankless task.

This is exactly what I have been looking for, but timing being what it is I wont stop my IMC now but continue and wait for the announcement,

Once again, thanks

[Three Yellows]

What News?

Bose-x,

Wasn't there a meeting yesterday?? What's the news, please?

[ThePirateKing]

Sorry to have followed up to a message nearly a month old, but I'm only just coming to this thread.

My personal view is that the IMCR will disappear under EASA licensing and there will not be a euro wide IMCR. This is the primary reason I became involved in the IRWG so that if the IMCR does go we ALL have access to a method of regaining those privileges on a European and world wide basis as well as a whole host of enhanced privileges.

This will only happen if the IR is open to those who the CAA deem to have colour defective vision. As a "CVD" pilot, I have access to the IMC rating. I do not have access to an IR, and don't anticipate that the discussed changes will affect this.
Does anyone have any views on this?
(Apologies if this has been covered - I haven't finished reading the whole thread yet).

[FullyFlapped]

Bose-X : I am under the impression that the academic side will be available pretty much straight away. The next meeting is on Tuesday and I will raise it as an agenda item to find out the exact timescales.

Bose-X,

Any news from the meeting last week ?

FF

[IO540]

It would be a massive mistake to believe that any IR that gives meaningful European IFR privileges could ever replace the IMC Rating.

You would need a complete airspace overhaul to go with it.

Which is not to say we won't get some easier JAA/EASA IR one day.

[Three Yellows]

Bose-X

Does anyone know what's happened to Bose-X since the meeting? We haven't heard back from him. Did he escape from Gatwick in one piece? Any news gratefully received.

[Fuji Abound]

Well I hope Bose will be along shortly to report back.

Thankfully PPLIR have finally woken up, and there is some information here:

http://www.pplir.org/index.php?optio...sk=view&id=283

as well as in their members only section - I still think they are worth joining.

AOPA UK are their usual hopeless selves - there is still no information on their web site which doesnt appear to have changed since I last gave it a bashing.

Come on AOPA please get your act together and realise the first some will see of you is your web site - it is out of date, poorly designed and generally completely useless, other than that it is OK .

[FullyFlapped]

Calling Bose-X ... Calling Bose-X ...

Thread back to the top just so I can ask Bose-X again, has anything yet been decided on the academic timescales as you indicated ?

Thanks,

FF

[derekf]

Steve has been working hard on the IR WG. There are AOPA and PPL/IR members on it - Steve is an AOPA representative who also happens to be a member of PPL/IR

See the following threads for more information:

http://forums.flyer.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=30843
http://www.joinaopa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=174
http://www.pplir.org/index.php?optio...sk=view&id=281
http://www.pplir.org/index.php?optio...sk=view&id=283

I'm sure Steve will be along with more information soon, but he is responding to a lot of people posting on the flyer and aopa forums.

Derek...

[S-Works]

Not to mention the fact that Rob saw fit to bar me from PPRUNE for being a bit free with my opinions for his tastes.

So rather than run the risk of incurring the wrath again perhaps a visit to the flyer or AOPA forums.

[Three Yellows]

Bose-X

I really can't be bovvered to wade through another 75,000 pages of you telling people that "this is nothing to do with the IMC" on the other threads which DF mentions.

Perhaps you could just help me out, cut to the chase and PM me with the bottom line.

Thanks

3Y

[S-Works]

Three Yellows, I cant be bothered to trawl back through 75,000 pages to find your question. So what was it you wanted to know?

[Three Yellows]

When am I going to be able to start on an IR course which is relevant and achievable for a private flyer that has a full time job?

[S-Works]

When am I going to be able to start on an IR course which is relevant and achievable for a private flyer that has a full time job?

I don't know. The review is still ongoing. Finally meeting of the IRWG is the 24th May. After that we write the report, submit it to the Head of PLD and make it available for peer review.

After that it is down to the CAA to agree the proposals and then put what gets agreed into force.

The CAA are very committed to this process and want to see it happen quickly.

[stickandrudderman]

I've only just discovered this thread, but from what I can see, someone who's got off his arse and actually started taking some positive action to improve the current IMC/IR divide deserves a huge amount of support and thanks.
Some of the "debates" on here are more like marital arguements, where couples start arguing about who's turn it is to change the nappy, but end up arguing about the way they are arguing.

It does occur to me however that there are probably an awful lot of licence holders who do not visit any of these forums, and whose views are unknown.

Would it be so difficult for the CAA to have a central emailing list to keep ALL licence holders informed, rather than relying on us to go seeking information?
Or am I missing something?

Thanks again Bose.

[IO540]

The CAA are very committed to this process and want to see it happen quickly.

What are the timescales for the subsequent JAA ratification, and is it likely to happen before EASA takes over FCL in 2008?

Does the CAA have the authority to chop down the IR ground school and still deliver a JAA IR?

[S-Works]

The CAA want this to happen before EASA. They have the power to change a considerable number of things and they are prepared to do so.

[IO540]

I am not sure you have answered either of my questions, bose-x.

I don't doubt the CAA want to pre-empt EASA's controversial "recreational PPL" proposal. I just don't understand the mechanics of the likely process.

[S-Works]

I did answer your question. The CAA want to implement this before they hand over to EASA. The CAA do have the power to make most of the changes we have proposed.

Exact time-scales for implementation will come from the final report after the last WG meeting this month.