Instrument Approach Plates
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Getting back to the first posters problem- 2 points:
1 For IMC rated pilots flying approaches in UK, the cut-down Jepps is over engineered because a lot of the pages cover Heathrow, Gatters, Luton etc which said pilots are not going to fly into because of the costs and for heathrow, ratings. I got fed up with swopping monthly updated sheets because the gps coordinates of stand Hxxx at Heathrow had changed by 3 feet. I suggested to Jepp they could price that product more attractively by dropping those airports. Any suitably qualified pilot rich enough and patient enough to accept the offered slots at Heathrow could always buy those charts as a trip kit
2 That brings me to the second point which is not so much about getting the charts at a reasonable cost, but about ensuring the charts are always up to date. I suspect the update service is inherently quite expensive.
Maybe I just destroyed the logic of point 1!
1 For IMC rated pilots flying approaches in UK, the cut-down Jepps is over engineered because a lot of the pages cover Heathrow, Gatters, Luton etc which said pilots are not going to fly into because of the costs and for heathrow, ratings. I got fed up with swopping monthly updated sheets because the gps coordinates of stand Hxxx at Heathrow had changed by 3 feet. I suggested to Jepp they could price that product more attractively by dropping those airports. Any suitably qualified pilot rich enough and patient enough to accept the offered slots at Heathrow could always buy those charts as a trip kit
2 That brings me to the second point which is not so much about getting the charts at a reasonable cost, but about ensuring the charts are always up to date. I suspect the update service is inherently quite expensive.
Maybe I just destroyed the logic of point 1!
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AppleMacster
JIFP should be ready by the end of April, latest mid-May. There are certain internal structures that need to be completed but they are being worked on.
Windy 1
I recall our correspondence where you suggested the deletion of large airports from the TUK04. Originally created to meet a requirement as an IMC coverage it has outgrown that now and is used by trainees, ferry pilots, flight simmers, exec jets, heli operators and so on. I put the content together at the time and the biggies did not play a great part in the pricing because we had to be competetive with what was already long since on the market. We also prefer to continue our policy of having complete coverages - explaining exclusions is always going to be more costly than retaining the airports in question.
Do appreciate your concern however.
brgds
atb
JIFP should be ready by the end of April, latest mid-May. There are certain internal structures that need to be completed but they are being worked on.
Windy 1
I recall our correspondence where you suggested the deletion of large airports from the TUK04. Originally created to meet a requirement as an IMC coverage it has outgrown that now and is used by trainees, ferry pilots, flight simmers, exec jets, heli operators and so on. I put the content together at the time and the biggies did not play a great part in the pricing because we had to be competetive with what was already long since on the market. We also prefer to continue our policy of having complete coverages - explaining exclusions is always going to be more costly than retaining the airports in question.
Do appreciate your concern however.
brgds
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As a user of the Jepp UK IFR guide I am happy with it, and the pricing was (as I recall) below Aerad's offering.
The added bonus over Aerad is that Aerad's comes in two binders which is a pain to carry so, when I was flying under the IMCR only, I pulled out the STARs/SIDs and managed to get the lot into one binder.
I do not think that making the plates more brief (as one firm has attempted for a UK-only kit) is worth doing. An instrument qualified pilot should be able to read and fly any plate you stick under his nose.
The problem comes when you want to go into Europe. The printed version is an absolute joke - heavy enough to affect your W&B, and the time spent on the monthly updating is even more of a joke. Just like the Bottlang VFR guides, which have no excuse to not be on a CD. Paradoxically, commercial users will be less bothered by this because most of them - a notable exception being bizjet pilots - fly the same routes all the time, so they pull out the stuff they need. Private IR pilots have to go "electronic" (printing off the plates at home, or with a portable printer off a laptop) but they can't be expected to spend the equivalent of an Annual on this stuff.
Eventually Jepp will get squeezed by the free Eurocontrol plates, which are OK for occassional use and their coverage is improving all the time. This is a shame because Jepp have a much more usable product, and the only product that's readable on a 800x600 tablet pc product. Unfortunately, if they get pushed into serving the airline market only, their prices will never come down.
This will open up the European market for a new entrant - it doesn't take a PhD to work that out!
The added bonus over Aerad is that Aerad's comes in two binders which is a pain to carry so, when I was flying under the IMCR only, I pulled out the STARs/SIDs and managed to get the lot into one binder.
I do not think that making the plates more brief (as one firm has attempted for a UK-only kit) is worth doing. An instrument qualified pilot should be able to read and fly any plate you stick under his nose.
The problem comes when you want to go into Europe. The printed version is an absolute joke - heavy enough to affect your W&B, and the time spent on the monthly updating is even more of a joke. Just like the Bottlang VFR guides, which have no excuse to not be on a CD. Paradoxically, commercial users will be less bothered by this because most of them - a notable exception being bizjet pilots - fly the same routes all the time, so they pull out the stuff they need. Private IR pilots have to go "electronic" (printing off the plates at home, or with a portable printer off a laptop) but they can't be expected to spend the equivalent of an Annual on this stuff.
Eventually Jepp will get squeezed by the free Eurocontrol plates, which are OK for occassional use and their coverage is improving all the time. This is a shame because Jepp have a much more usable product, and the only product that's readable on a 800x600 tablet pc product. Unfortunately, if they get pushed into serving the airline market only, their prices will never come down.
This will open up the European market for a new entrant - it doesn't take a PhD to work that out!
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Originally Posted by englishal
In fact, why don't Jeppesen do "Trip Kits" for Europe, just like the USA. There is no point paying for IAPs in mid winter in a non-deiced aeroplane, yet you still have to subscribe.....
