question about logging IFR (merged)
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This thread is a right mess of FAA and CAA airspace rules.
UK: Somebody on a VFR flight plan (whether it's a full ICAO one, or filed on the radio, or just in the pilot's head) and who has the IR or IMCR can enter clouds at any time, without any radio contact if in Class G, and log that time as instrument time. In the UK, it's common practice (IMCR or IR pilot) to fly VFR, in Class G because it reduces the radio workload, and pop in and out of clouds as one feels fit.
Pianorak: if you have the fairly standard logbook, probably from Transair, with the "instrument time" column, then the time that goes into that column is completely separate from the rest of the logbook. Let's say you do a flight with brakes-off to brakes-on times of
1100 1530
and on that flight you spent 30 mins flying by sole reference to instruments (what exactly that means is a separate debate), you will have in the logbook
start=1100
end=1530
time=4:30 (some like 4.5)
instrument time 0:30 (or 0.5)
The airborne time, probably about 4:10, isn't logged anywhere in your personal logbook but should be logged for maintenance purposes.
UK: Somebody on a VFR flight plan (whether it's a full ICAO one, or filed on the radio, or just in the pilot's head) and who has the IR or IMCR can enter clouds at any time, without any radio contact if in Class G, and log that time as instrument time. In the UK, it's common practice (IMCR or IR pilot) to fly VFR, in Class G because it reduces the radio workload, and pop in and out of clouds as one feels fit.
Pianorak: if you have the fairly standard logbook, probably from Transair, with the "instrument time" column, then the time that goes into that column is completely separate from the rest of the logbook. Let's say you do a flight with brakes-off to brakes-on times of
1100 1530
and on that flight you spent 30 mins flying by sole reference to instruments (what exactly that means is a separate debate), you will have in the logbook
start=1100
end=1530
time=4:30 (some like 4.5)
instrument time 0:30 (or 0.5)
The airborne time, probably about 4:10, isn't logged anywhere in your personal logbook but should be logged for maintenance purposes.
From a Commercial point of view, from the moment you get airborne to the point where you become visual with the runway at destination is all IFR, which can be logged separately in most logbooks. Personally I knock 5 mins off the flight time and log that as Instrument time. As to the importance of logging it, well the last time I used it was when applying for an ATPL.
Pianorak
Article 35 (2)(d)requires you to log:
(d) particulars of any special conditions under which the flight was conducted,
including night flying and instrument flying;
Clearly whoever checked your application and signed it prior to sending it off, didn't do a very good job of checking your log book! This is required to show 15 hours dual instruction in Instrument flying and include at least 10 hours by sole reference to instruments. It is the 10 hours that the person processing your rating is looking for.
Yes, it is in addition to the PUT, not PIC, that you should have logged on the course.
No, you do not add it to any other colum.
Article 35 (2)(d)requires you to log:
(d) particulars of any special conditions under which the flight was conducted,
including night flying and instrument flying;
Clearly whoever checked your application and signed it prior to sending it off, didn't do a very good job of checking your log book! This is required to show 15 hours dual instruction in Instrument flying and include at least 10 hours by sole reference to instruments. It is the 10 hours that the person processing your rating is looking for.
Yes, it is in addition to the PUT, not PIC, that you should have logged on the course.
No, you do not add it to any other colum.
- brilliant instructor though! 
