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Cannabis, cocaine, whatever.... It is all the same to me and you liberal commies will not convince me otherwise. Drugs are drugs, and smuggling them is illegal. If he is an innocent man that has had these drugs planted on the airframe, (which I hope is true) then my condolences. If not, and it subsequently proves otherwise, then a quality result.....
Lets hope it was the first scenario for the sake of his family.
The adverts are true... "Drugs Destroy Lives"
Lets hope it was the first scenario for the sake of his family.
The adverts are true... "Drugs Destroy Lives"
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Whatever the rights and wrongs of this particular case, it doesn't do anything for our freedoms when people use light aircraft to smuggle drugs, illegal immigrants or any other contraband.
From that point of view cannabis is as harmful as coke, crack or heroin.
From that point of view cannabis is as harmful as coke, crack or heroin.
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The loss of a life?
The Government downgraded cannabis and made it a class c drug. Whilst I don't condone drug taking or pushing I hardly consider the loss of a person's life in these circumstances a result.
This is akin to handing out the death penalty for shoplifting.
now back to private flying matters perhaps?
then a quality result.....
The Government downgraded cannabis and made it a class c drug. Whilst I don't condone drug taking or pushing I hardly consider the loss of a person's life in these circumstances a result.
This is akin to handing out the death penalty for shoplifting.
now back to private flying matters perhaps?
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Maxflyer I take your point about punishment BUT does anyone ever consider why Singapore DOES NOT HAVE A DRUG PROBLEM? Couldnt be anything to do with the mandatory punishment could it? Drugs kill and anyone trafficking should have a mandatory sentence - period.
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I am not saying this man was smuggling. I repeat for his family, I hope the allegations are unfounded. But I retract nothing, in my opinion (I am entitled to it) a dead drug smuggler is a result. Sorry, but shoplifters dont destroy peoples lives....
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I won't post again on the drugs side, but Mr Moderator... back to private flying matters. This thread actually is perfect education for anyone tempted to do illegal activities in an aeroplane. I dont think we have gone too far out of the forum on this.
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Personally, if I was carrying some "substance", the last thing I would do is depart for the UK when the METARs are showing BKN002 and useless vis just about everywhere. One would draw an awful lot of attention doing an emergency ILS into some place in nearly zero/zero...
THAT is the real mystery here.
Was he flying VFR or IFR? Even IFR I wouldn't have gone; well not to Shoreham or anywhere near there.
THAT is the real mystery here.
Was he flying VFR or IFR? Even IFR I wouldn't have gone; well not to Shoreham or anywhere near there.
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Jaytee, I am aware of the points you make, I don't want it turning into a drugs/dealer debate. I am just trying to stop this before it goes too far.
This subject(drugs/dealers/aeroplanes etc) could be the making of another thread perhaps, right now we have an(local) aviator dead and none of us know if the drugs were his or planted there or what.
This subject(drugs/dealers/aeroplanes etc) could be the making of another thread perhaps, right now we have an(local) aviator dead and none of us know if the drugs were his or planted there or what.
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You people banging on about "Trafficking". You dont even know how much he had...........( you aint going to get any tonnage on a pa28) So we are not talking for profit really. Profit i think comes from those large sea containers full of it.
And im sure many of you have trafficked that most evil of "drugs" Alcohol........( More deaths i think you will find)
The Beauty of living in this country (at the moment) is that if we do step out of line a bit we dont suffer the most severe consequences when we start living in a place like singapore i'm off early to my desert island......
Please leave speculation until the big red book is published. I'm sure if you people were involved and your familys were reading this you would like the same respect offered to you.
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And im sure many of you have trafficked that most evil of "drugs" Alcohol........( More deaths i think you will find)
The Beauty of living in this country (at the moment) is that if we do step out of line a bit we dont suffer the most severe consequences when we start living in a place like singapore i'm off early to my desert island......
Please leave speculation until the big red book is published. I'm sure if you people were involved and your familys were reading this you would like the same respect offered to you.
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IO540 you are right, not exactly the best weather for a flight like this. BUt I guess if you were to be doing the flight to carry something as suggested, then you probably go anyway. Its not exactly like going to Le Touquet for Lunch.
Problem is there are far too many aircraft still involved in this, even though you might not get as much in a PA-28 as a Sea container!
Was it last winter or the winter before, two aircraft crashed on take-off in Belgium/Luxembourg same day. I think it was a 182RG from Booker took off from a Belgian grass gliding strip in the dark, hit the trees, what a shame. PA-32 from Shoreham crahed on take-off from a small Luxembourg strip. Strange places to fly from in the middle of winter, both aircraft found carrying drugs. Then there was the AA-5 that supposidly had engine problems and made a precautionary landing near Hannignton, Hants. What a shame the pax got out and jumped forward into the rotating propellor, sounds like not much wrong with the engine, more like about to turn around and take-off again. They were carrying drugs. Then there was the guy dropping off illegal immegrants at some strip in Kent, dropping in on his way to Headcorn. I was at Breighton in yorks a few years ago when a PA-28 landed and someone got out at the other end of the runway before it took off again. Luckily the police were waiting and there was a Kingair overhead that was following the aircraft and caught the rest of them when they landed at Barton. No doubt there are many more, unfortuantely some that get away with it.
There are two or more strips in the Paddock wood area, if this is what was happening. Its certainly a long way off course if you are going to Shoreham!
Not only are these drug smugglers ruining peoples lives with the drugs, they are also making it more difficult for all of us in our hobby. If it wasnt for them then I am sure the rules would be more relaxed for foreign travel and Im certain the the "prevention of terrorism" rules are more there now to control drug runners than IRA bombers. And the Police would like to increase these powers to cover flights from all countries, not just NI, CI, IOM.
If this flight was a genuine problem and off course crash then Im sorry for a fellow pilot and sympathy with his family. If not then I agree with the others.
Problem is there are far too many aircraft still involved in this, even though you might not get as much in a PA-28 as a Sea container!
Was it last winter or the winter before, two aircraft crashed on take-off in Belgium/Luxembourg same day. I think it was a 182RG from Booker took off from a Belgian grass gliding strip in the dark, hit the trees, what a shame. PA-32 from Shoreham crahed on take-off from a small Luxembourg strip. Strange places to fly from in the middle of winter, both aircraft found carrying drugs. Then there was the AA-5 that supposidly had engine problems and made a precautionary landing near Hannignton, Hants. What a shame the pax got out and jumped forward into the rotating propellor, sounds like not much wrong with the engine, more like about to turn around and take-off again. They were carrying drugs. Then there was the guy dropping off illegal immegrants at some strip in Kent, dropping in on his way to Headcorn. I was at Breighton in yorks a few years ago when a PA-28 landed and someone got out at the other end of the runway before it took off again. Luckily the police were waiting and there was a Kingair overhead that was following the aircraft and caught the rest of them when they landed at Barton. No doubt there are many more, unfortuantely some that get away with it.
There are two or more strips in the Paddock wood area, if this is what was happening. Its certainly a long way off course if you are going to Shoreham!
Not only are these drug smugglers ruining peoples lives with the drugs, they are also making it more difficult for all of us in our hobby. If it wasnt for them then I am sure the rules would be more relaxed for foreign travel and Im certain the the "prevention of terrorism" rules are more there now to control drug runners than IRA bombers. And the Police would like to increase these powers to cover flights from all countries, not just NI, CI, IOM.
If this flight was a genuine problem and off course crash then Im sorry for a fellow pilot and sympathy with his family. If not then I agree with the others.
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Tell you what chaps...
Why don't we just work on the basis that because this fellow pilot was "in possession of more cannabis than one would expect for personal use" that he had a great aunt he was visiting in the Kent region who had terrible arthiritis.
Let's assume she also had a sister who had recently bruised herself in a toboganning accident and required some herbal pain relief.
Therefore, this man was flying their order in to help them out before they rewarded him with a roast chicken lunch.
Seems like a jolly nice chap to me.
For those of you who think I'm talking out of my arse, I'm doing it no more than the scandalists who have immediately made criminal assumptions.
Why don't we just work on the basis that because this fellow pilot was "in possession of more cannabis than one would expect for personal use" that he had a great aunt he was visiting in the Kent region who had terrible arthiritis.
Let's assume she also had a sister who had recently bruised herself in a toboganning accident and required some herbal pain relief.
Therefore, this man was flying their order in to help them out before they rewarded him with a roast chicken lunch.
Seems like a jolly nice chap to me.
For those of you who think I'm talking out of my arse, I'm doing it no more than the scandalists who have immediately made criminal assumptions.
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Aunty, Sis, whatever, it's still illegal.
Let's not confuse the best of motives with legality.
I propose that he was a Registered Pharmacist, and was simply using a trip to see Granny in an old people's home in Utrecht to bring home some stuff he had ordered through his normal supplier, to save the postage.
Aunty, Sis, whatever, it's still illegal.
Let's not confuse the best of motives with legality.
I propose that he was a Registered Pharmacist, and was simply using a trip to see Granny in an old people's home in Utrecht to bring home some stuff he had ordered through his normal supplier, to save the postage.
