What do you need to fly a jet?

[mutt]

I think that there are two issues here.... legally and realistically..

Legally, people have flown B747s on a PPL.... (FAA)

Realisitically....take yourself off to a nice jet simulator and see how quickly you DIE....................

NOTHING REPLACES TRAINING.......

Mutt.

[wbryce]

FD,

I was asking if the JPs where restricted to the same 250kts below FL10 restriction

[Evil J]

I don't think you can fly the big stuff on a PPL in the UK (can't vouch for the US), isn't there a weight restriction on the PPL (5700 kg rings a bell)???

[Chilli Monster]

I was asking if the JPs where restricted to the same 250kts below FL100 restriction

Yes they are - no exceptions (and don't let anyone BS you by telling you otherwise!)

I don't think you can fly the big stuff on a PPL in the UK (can't vouch for the US), isn't there a weight restriction on the PPL (5700 kg rings a bell)???

Yes - 5700Kg is what it says on mine, but remember that's a multi engine piston rating. Turbine aircraft (all types) come under type specific training / rating under JAR. However, certain marks of Citation, under private category operations, have a single pilot waiver that can be obtained by passing an approved course for single pilot ops. Public transport / AOC operations however the II/Bravo (6200Kg) upwards, are two crew operation.

Beech 200 King Air weighs in at 5700Kg, so is the heaviest aircraft that can be flown single crew public transport.

The rules for the FAA are much more easily defined. For private (pt 91) ops a type rating is required for any aircraft over 12,500 lbs MTOW and all turbojet aircraft. Provided you had a multi engine rating therefore and had a high altitude endorsement you could jump into any of the King Air 90/100/200 series without any training (though you'd be nuts to do so). Commercial carrier however (pt 121/135) do require type training and ratings.

[slim_slag]

Commercial carrier however (pt 135) do require type training and ratings.

Part 135 (air taxi, fire bombing, and the like) require a CPL to be in command, and it looks like having an ATP before you can be in command is coming down the pike.

Part 121 (scheduled airline service etc) require ATP before you can be in command, CPL as first officer.

So 135/121 ops are more related to what you are doing, not the plane in which you are doing it. You can fly a 747 LAX-JFK with passengers and be part 121, then the same crew can turn around and fly it back without passengers and it will be part 91.

The vast majority of flights in the US are under Part 91(general aviation), and a significant part of those are jets.

[Charlie Zulu]

Chilli Monster,

I have been thinking about what you said over the radio a few days ago and have to say I am tempted (very much) to join you for the steam-driven-instrumentation-slowtation-type-rating late next year.

However I first have to try and pass my JAA ATPLs.

Just a quick question. Is the school you are going to attend JAR approved as well as FAA approved? If so then I'll be able to add the Citation Type Rating to both my FAA CPL/IR (which I have already) and the JAA CPL/IR (when I eventually obtain one).

Best wishes,

Charlie Zulu.

[englishal]

Can I come for my type rating too....

While pulling the Citation out of the hangar the other day to fuel it up, I came to the conclusion that I would quite like the idea of hanging out with rich people. In the owners hangar he had (in addition to the Citation):

Classic Ferrari
Brand new Ferrari
Jet Ranger (with seat back DVD!)
Lotus racing car (classic)
Maclaren racing car (new)
couple of Duccati's
couple of classic merc two seaters

Unfortunately the T28 doesn't fit in as well......

And maybe a G3 is next.....

[Chilli Monster]

Yes - did like the cars, spent a bit of time drooling over them. Has he been cleared to fly the Jetranger solo yet - or is he still learning?

Also - did you get a ride in the Citation? (I did - not as nice inside as my usual C550 I thought )

[englishal]

I did - not as nice inside as my usual C550 I thought

Poser

[MLS-12D]

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