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Locksmith,
I am sure it did not originate from the BMAA, as they would have nothing at all to gain from such a rumour. From what I can recall it was first mentioned to me some months ago by a fairly prominent PFA member. More recently it was mentioned to me again, from several different sources within the PFA, but all telling the same story, which is pretty much as JBQC reported on 22nd April.
Thankfully PFA official policy now seems clear, so I think it perhaps best if we put this issue to one side and get back to aviating.
I am sure it did not originate from the BMAA, as they would have nothing at all to gain from such a rumour. From what I can recall it was first mentioned to me some months ago by a fairly prominent PFA member. More recently it was mentioned to me again, from several different sources within the PFA, but all telling the same story, which is pretty much as JBQC reported on 22nd April.
Thankfully PFA official policy now seems clear, so I think it perhaps best if we put this issue to one side and get back to aviating.
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Contrary to popular belief Tony, EC members, chairpersons and directors of PFA Ulair don't get paid! We do however get our (relevant) phone calls paid for.....
No week off, National Kit Car show on Sunday/Monday, much to do.
No week off, National Kit Car show on Sunday/Monday, much to do.
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Sorry to give the Pfa another pasting but has anyone else had their Pfa email address shut down without warning??
I wondered why mine was not working very well over the last few weeks and then I read this,
I think the association have a bloody cheek to cut off this service without warning anyone.
Perhaps the good old Nigel can get some answers.
Ken
I wondered why mine was not working very well over the last few weeks and then I read this,
I think the association have a bloody cheek to cut off this service without warning anyone.
Perhaps the good old Nigel can get some answers.
Ken
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Ken,
I've just gone on line after a hectic wek-end. I will look into this providing you don't continue to call me 'good old Nigel'!
Graham is on holiday, we have an EC meeting this coming Friday and this will become A.O.B.
I can tell you that this whole PFA net thing occurred as described on the PFA site by Graham. A guy called Alan Aburrow-Newman was the original webmaster before Timbo. This was an idea of his to earn cash for the PFA but as with much IT became obsolete as an idea very quickly.
There must be a way of sorting this and I agee we should try and limit inconvenience as much as possible.
Don't expect an answer for a couple of weeks as GN is away.
I've just gone on line after a hectic wek-end. I will look into this providing you don't continue to call me 'good old Nigel'!
Graham is on holiday, we have an EC meeting this coming Friday and this will become A.O.B.
I can tell you that this whole PFA net thing occurred as described on the PFA site by Graham. A guy called Alan Aburrow-Newman was the original webmaster before Timbo. This was an idea of his to earn cash for the PFA but as with much IT became obsolete as an idea very quickly.
There must be a way of sorting this and I agee we should try and limit inconvenience as much as possible.
Don't expect an answer for a couple of weeks as GN is away.
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Yep ... It's happened to me as well now!
Mine was working up until a couple of days ago and I'm now well hacked off!
I have an ebay account that uses that address and I can't even change it because it requires a verification email back to the old email to allow you to change. As I expect many are aware ebay works a lot on trust which is shown in the form of "feedback" which takes a long time to aquire. If I eventually have to re register as another user I will lose all that good will and it will effect my buying or selling power.
I can't log on to the PFA bulletin board now for similar reasons as my .ukpilots.net email was used to register there too ... so there goes another "identity"
I've always been a staunch PFA supporter, but even my patience is getting a bit frayed now! I know the PFA are not internet wise as such ... but if you undertake to provide a service and then drop it, it will reflect very badly on your proffessionalism and creditability!
SS
Mine was working up until a couple of days ago and I'm now well hacked off!
I have an ebay account that uses that address and I can't even change it because it requires a verification email back to the old email to allow you to change. As I expect many are aware ebay works a lot on trust which is shown in the form of "feedback" which takes a long time to aquire. If I eventually have to re register as another user I will lose all that good will and it will effect my buying or selling power.
I can't log on to the PFA bulletin board now for similar reasons as my .ukpilots.net email was used to register there too ... so there goes another "identity"
I've always been a staunch PFA supporter, but even my patience is getting a bit frayed now! I know the PFA are not internet wise as such ... but if you undertake to provide a service and then drop it, it will reflect very badly on your proffessionalism and creditability!
SS
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I added a little towards explanation on the PFA BBS from when I was webmaster, and yes its very, very annoying what has been done. Like you, when I lost an email address i wasted days trying to recover services and accounts from eleswhere that could only function if they sent the confirmation email to the original address. Re Ebay, try contacting customer services, cos in the end you can get it changed but it takes ages-saves losing reeferences tho,
Good luck,
Timbo
Good luck,
Timbo
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Hi Guys n Gals
Just bin watchin and thought......
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Happy Flying
If you want to make allegations of that sort, try doing so in the PFA forums where you'll have to provide your ID and PFA Membership Number before you're allowed to post.
We don't like people abusing the anonymity we allow our members, and don't want you on our website.
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Just bin watchin and thought......
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Happy Flying
If you want to make allegations of that sort, try doing so in the PFA forums where you'll have to provide your ID and PFA Membership Number before you're allowed to post.
We don't like people abusing the anonymity we allow our members, and don't want you on our website.
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I am a friend at Juglylugs flying club, and after hearing his side I felt compelled to come online and see what your side of the story is.
I've read what Jugylug posted before you took it down. Now, fair enough, you are a moderator and that means you have to pull some posts occasionally. But what I've read from Jugylug was telling the truth. Even if you were unsure of this, afterall, this is a RUMOURS forum. Whilst you've got people mentioning those involved by name in other threads you chose to remove this one...
Like I said, a moderator has to moderate, but can you please justify your decision here?
Thanks,
FlyWales
I am a friend at Juglylugs flying club, and after hearing his side I felt compelled to come online and see what your side of the story is.
I've read what Jugylug posted before you took it down. Now, fair enough, you are a moderator and that means you have to pull some posts occasionally. But what I've read from Jugylug was telling the truth. Even if you were unsure of this, afterall, this is a RUMOURS forum. Whilst you've got people mentioning those involved by name in other threads you chose to remove this one...
Like I said, a moderator has to moderate, but can you please justify your decision here?
Thanks,
FlyWales
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Isn't it amazing how these people appear on a forum with only one or two former posts and start stirring the pot straight away? 
There wouldn't be a "not so well hidden" agenda going on here would there?
Perhaps if jugylug or flywales had a few more posts in the bag before jumping straight in with the heavy political stuff they might have a bit more credibility. As it is they just appear to be yet another couple of AS determined not to let go of a well chewed stick.
Things happen that are regrettable but do we really have to bog this forum down with recriminations in the same way as happened with the PFA board?
Well moderated Heliport
SS
There wouldn't be a "not so well hidden" agenda going on here would there? Perhaps if jugylug or flywales had a few more posts in the bag before jumping straight in with the heavy political stuff they might have a bit more credibility. As it is they just appear to be yet another couple of A
S determined not to let go of a well chewed stick.Things happen that are regrettable but do we really have to bog this forum down with recriminations in the same way as happened with the PFA board?
Well moderated Heliport
SS
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...and the moderators don't have to justify anything they do. This is a privately owned forum. The forum's owners are generally very tolerant of vigorous debate, but it is unfair to them to post here potentially actionable criticisms of identifiable individuals. Contrary to the caterwauling that went on recently in relation to another thread of some notoriety, no one who chooses to post here has any "right" to say what they like.
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'Someone' registered as 'juylug' and posted libellous material.
I deleted it, wrote to him with an explanation and banned him from the thread.
'Someone' then registered as 'jugylug' and re-posted the same libellous material.
I deleted it, posted an explanation which is still there, and banned him from the forum.
Now 'someone' claiming to be 'a friend' registers and posts concerning the deletions.
'Someone' must think we're completely stupid.
Heliport
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I deleted it, wrote to him with an explanation and banned him from the thread.
'Someone' then registered as 'jugylug' and re-posted the same libellous material.
I deleted it, posted an explanation which is still there, and banned him from the forum.
Now 'someone' claiming to be 'a friend' registers and posts concerning the deletions.
'Someone' must think we're completely stupid.
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H,
Why not close the thread.
All that has been said has been said etc etc etc.
FD
SuperMods and Admins only intervene in forums in exceptional circumstances. eg To remove posts which contain libellous material, as I did above.
PPRuNe policy is only to close threads when it is absolutely unavoidable. There's nothing which would justify closing this thread. Threads fade away naturally when all has been said.
Heliport
Why not close the thread.
All that has been said has been said etc etc etc.
FD
SuperMods and Admins only intervene in forums in exceptional circumstances. eg To remove posts which contain libellous material, as I did above.
PPRuNe policy is only to close threads when it is absolutely unavoidable. There's nothing which would justify closing this thread. Threads fade away naturally when all has been said.
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The PFA
Until now I have been rather unsure what my membership has actually brought me. Several calls to the engineering department last year resulted in no response and the website's forum had to be shut down on more than one occasion due to a serious amount of air rage that hit the forum unexpectedly. The feelings were heated and written from the heart.
I pondered over my decision to have bought a Permit a/c at that point and nearly regretted becoming a member. I considered selling the steed and reverting back to a C of A machine just to escape the wrath and apparent disorganisation.
I have kept my head down recently and have emerged with very different views about this establishment. Although I haven't had to call the PFA's "ivory towers" for any help or advise I have had some recent contact with one of their inspectors who has helped me out with some maintenance issues. I have been pleasantly surprised by the level of co-operation and professional advice that this person has offered. He has put up with up to 5 of my calls in one afternoon with perfect integrity and humour. He has his own business and could have easily told me to call back when less busy.
I found his number through the PFA website and all I can say is that I wish i'd found it 7 years ago.
My views on the PFA have changed and I hope the core organisers of this establishment realise quite what level of input their "on the ground" personnel have with their image and reputation.
Being one who calls a spade a spade I would say that I can't help feeling that the men on the ground are perhaps let down somewhat by the better remunerated glory takers at a certain well known airfield.
I'm loaded and ready to take 10 paces.....
I pondered over my decision to have bought a Permit a/c at that point and nearly regretted becoming a member. I considered selling the steed and reverting back to a C of A machine just to escape the wrath and apparent disorganisation.
I have kept my head down recently and have emerged with very different views about this establishment. Although I haven't had to call the PFA's "ivory towers" for any help or advise I have had some recent contact with one of their inspectors who has helped me out with some maintenance issues. I have been pleasantly surprised by the level of co-operation and professional advice that this person has offered. He has put up with up to 5 of my calls in one afternoon with perfect integrity and humour. He has his own business and could have easily told me to call back when less busy.
I found his number through the PFA website and all I can say is that I wish i'd found it 7 years ago.
My views on the PFA have changed and I hope the core organisers of this establishment realise quite what level of input their "on the ground" personnel have with their image and reputation.
Being one who calls a spade a spade I would say that I can't help feeling that the men on the ground are perhaps let down somewhat by the better remunerated glory takers at a certain well known airfield.
I'm loaded and ready to take 10 paces.....
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