SECURITY - Revised Uk Rules (14 Aug 2006)
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Originally Posted by BEagle
The dimensions of this item must not exceed a maximum length of 45cm, width of 35cm and depth of 16cm (17.7"×13.7"×6.2" approx) including wheels, handles, side pockets etc.[/B]
IIRC there was a thread running on the horrendous queues for T4 security a while back, which BAA tried to blame on the volume of cabin baggage, attempted to restrict pax to one bag totally ignored the individual airline allowances, and had to back down.
Then BA raised the stakes by raising the cabin baggage allowance for all. Perhaps we are seeing BAA try to get its original plan in by the back door?
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Rediculous Hyper-baggage restrictions
Typical hyper over-reaction by that home of the jobsworth - BAA. If any organisation can organise an inefficient service, these guys are the real pros.
Just notice the arm-folded jobsworths standing around the 'security area' when you next pass through an airport, despite their being a huge q of people lining up to get to their gates.
I agree, it is time for Ferovial to shake up the 'shopping mall operator' very soon.
Notice the signs in the 'secure area' warning us not to abuse the BAA staff, what about the trivial and woefull service that BAA provide to the passangers. It should be their duty to get us to our gates in a swift and efficient manner - simple really - not to bombard us with petty regulations about laser pointers and nail clippers as well as bottled water or anything else.
Also well done to W Walsh for having the **lls to stand up and slam them on TV, for being so disorganised.
My plight is simple - I want to carry enough stuff for a one or two night stay in Europe. I travel with BA every week to either Brussels, FKFT, Spain or Greece. I do not want to check anything in, I pay to fly with BA because they allow me to carry my 'wheeled wardrobe' into the cabin. It fits through the xray machine and in the overhead locker without problem. It also allows me to pack a couple of shirts and pants as well as my computer and work stuff. I bought a new one last month - to comply with the 'new' regulations. That is now obselete because of the new rules announced today.
Grow up BAA and smell the roses before you destroy what should be a pleasant experience.
Just notice the arm-folded jobsworths standing around the 'security area' when you next pass through an airport, despite their being a huge q of people lining up to get to their gates.
I agree, it is time for Ferovial to shake up the 'shopping mall operator' very soon.
Notice the signs in the 'secure area' warning us not to abuse the BAA staff, what about the trivial and woefull service that BAA provide to the passangers. It should be their duty to get us to our gates in a swift and efficient manner - simple really - not to bombard us with petty regulations about laser pointers and nail clippers as well as bottled water or anything else.
Also well done to W Walsh for having the **lls to stand up and slam them on TV, for being so disorganised.
My plight is simple - I want to carry enough stuff for a one or two night stay in Europe. I travel with BA every week to either Brussels, FKFT, Spain or Greece. I do not want to check anything in, I pay to fly with BA because they allow me to carry my 'wheeled wardrobe' into the cabin. It fits through the xray machine and in the overhead locker without problem. It also allows me to pack a couple of shirts and pants as well as my computer and work stuff. I bought a new one last month - to comply with the 'new' regulations. That is now obselete because of the new rules announced today.
Grow up BAA and smell the roses before you destroy what should be a pleasant experience.
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Originally Posted by Genghis the Engineer
With the best will in the world, it'll take half a day at-least to turn that into a company document, fit it in with procedures, get it out to all of the airports, and have local supervisors re-brief their own staff.
It's just general incompetence and further disregard for their customers.
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Originally Posted by BEagle
From the BBC:
(the contents of each bottle or jar must be tasted by the accompanying passenger).
(the contents of each bottle or jar must be tasted by the accompanying passenger).
I also wouldn't have thought sipping/eating a tiny bit of an explosive chemical would be that much of a deterrant to someone who plans to blow themselves up a few hours later, unless the stuff is so bad it makes you throw up immediately, and they can't train themselves to take it.
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Originally Posted by 172driver
Can someone PLEASE rid us of these pompous idiots that are BAA ?? There cannot be ANY vaild reason to restrict the size of carry-ons by a few centimeters to a non-standard size.
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Yes, by the Dft, but I'd be willing to bet they've consulted before imposing those rules. And who do they consult - each airline, or the bad old BAA? I think I can guess which.
The rules are very precise - specifically including wheels and handles etc - which led me to presume that they'd have some luggage guages set up to make sure nothing oversize gets through. Without the guages, there'd always be room for argument. I thought it'd probably take some time for them to get new guages made up, then I read "Haven't a clue"'s comments and indeed it makes me wonder whether the BAA have effectively just managed to achieve through the back door what they failed to achieve some time back - i.e. overriding guidelines on hand baggage sizes that are way more onerous than the airline's own rules. I can just imagine it now:
Dft "What size do you think we should allow, Mr. BAA"
Mr. BAA: "Well, we have these guages already made up, so to make things easy..."
Perhaps there was no terrorist threat - perhaps it was all a scam that allowed the BAA to get its way with hand baggage
I'd also be willing to bet the "one piece only" bit gets abandoned at the boarding gate - perrish the thought if our reduced sized carry ons didn't have enough room in them to accommodate all the duty free and other items they want us to spend money on.
Still, all things considered its a lot better than before. I'd be quite happy to carry the lap top and/or camera in the ubiquitous clear plastic bag if it made the difference between taking it with me and checking it in.
Andy
The rules are very precise - specifically including wheels and handles etc - which led me to presume that they'd have some luggage guages set up to make sure nothing oversize gets through. Without the guages, there'd always be room for argument. I thought it'd probably take some time for them to get new guages made up, then I read "Haven't a clue"'s comments and indeed it makes me wonder whether the BAA have effectively just managed to achieve through the back door what they failed to achieve some time back - i.e. overriding guidelines on hand baggage sizes that are way more onerous than the airline's own rules. I can just imagine it now:
Dft "What size do you think we should allow, Mr. BAA"
Mr. BAA: "Well, we have these guages already made up, so to make things easy..."
Perhaps there was no terrorist threat - perhaps it was all a scam that allowed the BAA to get its way with hand baggage
I'd also be willing to bet the "one piece only" bit gets abandoned at the boarding gate - perrish the thought if our reduced sized carry ons didn't have enough room in them to accommodate all the duty free and other items they want us to spend money on.
Still, all things considered its a lot better than before. I'd be quite happy to carry the lap top and/or camera in the ubiquitous clear plastic bag if it made the difference between taking it with me and checking it in.
Andy
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Originally Posted by EastMids
I'd also be willing to bet the "one piece only" bit gets abandoned at the boarding gate - perrish the thought if our reduced sized carry ons didn't have enough room in them to accommodate all the duty free and other items they want us to spend money on.
Still, all things considered its a lot better than before. I'd be quite happy to carry the lap top and/or camera in the ubiquitous clear plastic bag if it made the difference between taking it with me and checking it in.
Andy
Still, all things considered its a lot better than before. I'd be quite happy to carry the lap top and/or camera in the ubiquitous clear plastic bag if it made the difference between taking it with me and checking it in.
Andy
At least now we can hand carry a laptop, camera, paperwork and the expensive stuff that the baggage staff seem to enjoy stealing.
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EastMids, my thinking entirely. I would suggest BA (and others) start playing hardball with these guys, e.g. withholding landing fees etc until they sort themselves out. BAA are a disgrace to a civilized country.
Perhaps the government could also wake up to the fact that these tossers are actually inflicting serious economic harm on the UK. Image the next discussion in a boardroom somewhere, along the lines of 'where should we site our new EMEA HQ'? I bet the debate will rather quickly be accompanied by moans and groans about LHR. Certainly in itself not a factor, but there's always the last straw.....
Perhaps the government could also wake up to the fact that these tossers are actually inflicting serious economic harm on the UK. Image the next discussion in a boardroom somewhere, along the lines of 'where should we site our new EMEA HQ'? I bet the debate will rather quickly be accompanied by moans and groans about LHR. Certainly in itself not a factor, but there's always the last straw.....
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Wonderful story which may or may not be true of a 12 year old boy coming down from Cumbria on the train to LGW and then walking through central search down to a gate and almost getting on an aircraft without a ticket and begin discovered as he boarded the aircraft gate 35 at LGW, but at least he did not have a bottle of water on him
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Perhaps if the airside retail operators were forced to charge normal high street/supermarket prices, people would not want to bring so much with them for their flights.
If you are not a UK resident, your final memory of the Old Country is being ripped off!
Perhaps Willie Walsh could now ask the DfT and BAA, just how they arrived at the hand baggage size ?
If you are not a UK resident, your final memory of the Old Country is being ripped off!
Perhaps Willie Walsh could now ask the DfT and BAA, just how they arrived at the hand baggage size ?
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Chandler's dad. Doesn't the handbag have to be packed within the permitted 1 piece of hand baggage? That's how the DfT website is reporting things....
Each passenger is permitted to carry ONE item of cabin baggage through the airport security search point. The dimensions of this item must not exceed: a maximum length of 45 cm, width of 35 cm and depth of 16 cm (17.7"×13.7"×6.2" approx) (including wheels, handles, side pockets etc.). Other bags, such as handbags, may be carried within the single item of cabin baggage. All items carried by passengers will be x-ray screened.
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Btw, if anyone here wants to give the DfT a piece of their mind, the email address to write to (I just have) is:
[email protected]
[email protected]
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From listening to phone in programmes on various radio stations it seems that the new security procedures have been a god sent to thieves.
Checked in laptops, mobile phones etc. have not been arriving at their destinations. In many instances the carrying case of the laptop is all that arrives. Security my hat!
Checked in laptops, mobile phones etc. have not been arriving at their destinations. In many instances the carrying case of the laptop is all that arrives. Security my hat!
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172driver, I am somewhat perplexed by your arguments. For far too long passengers have abused the carry-on luggage rules and I, for one, will be very glad to see the 'briefcase' ruling continue. Those damned wheelie-bin wardrobes should go in the hold.
BAA will soon start squealing when no-one buys their expensive duty-free perfumes and spirits, so I imagine things will change again soon.
BAA will soon start squealing when no-one buys their expensive duty-free perfumes and spirits, so I imagine things will change again soon.
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BEagle, I don't really get yours. Can you explain what difference it makes to take a normal size carry-on or the DfT/BAA invented size? While I'd agree that the rules were abused in the past, the good ol' 115cm rule made and makes perfect sense - not every bag can be squeezed down to 16cm high! And please don't start any 'security' argument - we all know that 'security' is used to cover all and any abuse of power these days.
BAA singularily fail to provide what they get paid for - a service. Yes, that's right: their job is to provide a service !! Both to the airlines and the pax. This is something they seem to have missed a long time ago, but only now can they really let rip under the guise of 'security'. Let's just hope Ferrovial change the entire management team asap.
BAA singularily fail to provide what they get paid for - a service. Yes, that's right: their job is to provide a service !! Both to the airlines and the pax. This is something they seem to have missed a long time ago, but only now can they really let rip under the guise of 'security'. Let's just hope Ferrovial change the entire management team asap.
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Originally Posted by 172driver
Btw, if anyone here wants to give the DfT a piece of their mind, the email address to write to (I just have) is:
[email protected]
[email protected]
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Checked in laptops, mobile phones etc. have not been arriving at their destinations. In many instances the carrying case of the laptop is all that arrives.
Here is an article typical of the 'rising crescendo' in the media:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33671
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Originally Posted by A2QFI
My ISP says that this address is more than 16 symbols symbols long and can't be used. I have composed a delightful Grumpogram and I can't send it! Any ideas please. The idea that lopping an inch or two off the size of carry-on luggage is going to improve anything, least of all security, is ludicrous!
it ? Love that one! Don't know how to get around it, though. Mail went from my account w/o trouble (at least no error msg). Perhaps just try snail mail....
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Originally Posted by Airbubba
There are calls to ban cellphones and computers with lithium batteries from passenger planes permanently. Perhaps they would be shipped by a courier service? Sounds wacky but so does banning lip gloss.
Here is an article typical of the 'rising crescendo' in the media:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33671
Here is an article typical of the 'rising crescendo' in the media:
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33671
This is well worth keeping an eye on these days. If I even think I have smelled smoke, the mask is coming on and we are descending. If we are "feet wet" then we are heading to our diversion airport immediately.