US registered aircraft in Oz
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US registered aircraft in Oz
Is it possible to import an aircraft from the states to OZ and keep it on the US register? What problems would I encounter keeping it N registerd? Thanks
The short answers are "yes" and "it depends".
The long answers are, setting aside the (remote) possibility of a Bis 83 agreement between Australia and the US:
if you are going to use the aircraft in operations for which an AOC is not required, you can operate the aircraft in Australia indefinitely. It's really a matter between you and the US FAA as to how you keep them satisfied that the aircraft and the way you operate and maintain it continues to satisfy its requirements.
if you are going to use the aircraft in operations for which an AOC is required, you will either need to get a section 27A permission (only lasts for 7 days) or you need to satisfy the extra requirements set out in section 28A on top of the usual requirements.
There is otherwise no limit on how long you may operate the aircraft domestically.
The long answers are, setting aside the (remote) possibility of a Bis 83 agreement between Australia and the US:
if you are going to use the aircraft in operations for which an AOC is not required, you can operate the aircraft in Australia indefinitely. It's really a matter between you and the US FAA as to how you keep them satisfied that the aircraft and the way you operate and maintain it continues to satisfy its requirements.
if you are going to use the aircraft in operations for which an AOC is required, you will either need to get a section 27A permission (only lasts for 7 days) or you need to satisfy the extra requirements set out in section 28A on top of the usual requirements.
There is otherwise no limit on how long you may operate the aircraft domestically.
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If my memory serves me correctly, a certain AOPA bigwig with the initials B.M. operates his aircraft (a Chieftain) with an N rego. Flatly refuses to put it on the Aussie register, so I was told. 
olderbutyzer. Boyd's aircraft was a Navajo Panther conversion of a PA31, not a Chieftan. I think the reason it was "N" registered was that the Panther conversion prohibited it's registration in Australia.
Colemill Panther Navajo
(Picture is a Chieftan conversion. I think Boyd Munro's is the smaller Navajo PA31-310 conversion. Only saw it once and didn't really take much interest.)
http://www.colemill.com/index.html
- 350 H.P. turbocharged TIO540J2B engines
- Four blade "Q-Tip" props with new governors and a synchrophaser for a quiet, smooth ride.
- "Zip Tip" winglets (optional) for additional lift and improved stability.
- A Shadin Digiflow fuel computer for extremely accurate fuel management.
- Cleveland "Four Spot" heavy duty brakes for quick stops on short fields.
Colemill also have conversions for Bonanzas, Barons and Cessna 310's.
Basically makes a geriatric twin piston clunker into a much faster geriatric twin piston clunker that costs much more to operate.
(Picture is a Chieftan conversion. I think Boyd Munro's is the smaller Navajo PA31-310 conversion. Only saw it once and didn't really take much interest.)
http://www.colemill.com/index.html
- 350 H.P. turbocharged TIO540J2B engines
- Four blade "Q-Tip" props with new governors and a synchrophaser for a quiet, smooth ride.
- "Zip Tip" winglets (optional) for additional lift and improved stability.
- A Shadin Digiflow fuel computer for extremely accurate fuel management.
- Cleveland "Four Spot" heavy duty brakes for quick stops on short fields.
Colemill also have conversions for Bonanzas, Barons and Cessna 310's.
Basically makes a geriatric twin piston clunker into a much faster geriatric twin piston clunker that costs much more to operate.
Bundi Gap. Before you get too excited, the Navajo Panther won't fit into Bundi!!!
And if you have been there recently, does the "Bundi Taxi" still exist???? (Yellow tractor and trailer.)
And if you have been there recently, does the "Bundi Taxi" still exist???? (Yellow tractor and trailer.)
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Gday,
Torres,
please correct me if I am wrong, but I always thought that the Colemill Panther Navajo had those awful geared 425hp donks from the "P" Navajo ??
That thing of Boyds goes like a cut cat, but you may as well just get yourself a PROPER Navajo to go fast, a Cheyenne!
Mind you Biggles Navajos were always the fastest in the world, judging by Flight Plan ETI's anyway!
Cheers,
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Torres,
please correct me if I am wrong, but I always thought that the Colemill Panther Navajo had those awful geared 425hp donks from the "P" Navajo ??
That thing of Boyds goes like a cut cat, but you may as well just get yourself a PROPER Navajo to go fast, a Cheyenne!
Mind you Biggles Navajos were always the fastest in the world, judging by Flight Plan ETI's anyway!
Cheers,
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Question please Torres.......didn't those "Zip Tips" play havaoc with the spar life on those things?
I seem to recall much discussion about that conversion years ago, but can't quite remember who cast the aspersion.
tenku tru
Question please Torres.......didn't those "Zip Tips" play havaoc with the spar life on those things?
I seem to recall much discussion about that conversion years ago, but can't quite remember who cast the aspersion.
tenku tru
I can't answer your questions. Never had much to do with Piper aircraft, and even less interest!
Considering there is an AD on the Navajo wing life (don't recall details) the Zip Tips may cause a problem. However, is the Navajo wing AD Australia only (like the Cessna 400 AD) or does it also apply to US registered aircraft? That may be the reason Panther conversions aren't on the Australian register.
TT, didn't realise the "P" Navajo had geared donks. Think I only recall seeing one from a distance, that being the ex Queensland Premier's aircraft, and never took much notice. Would that be a version of a GTIO540? At 425 HP it sounds like an expensive nightmare - bit like that twin turbo conversion that went into the Aerostar 601P?
I would think one could probably buy a small, fast turbine for the cost of a Navajo/Chieftan plus the cost of conversion.
Considering there is an AD on the Navajo wing life (don't recall details) the Zip Tips may cause a problem. However, is the Navajo wing AD Australia only (like the Cessna 400 AD) or does it also apply to US registered aircraft? That may be the reason Panther conversions aren't on the Australian register.
TT, didn't realise the "P" Navajo had geared donks. Think I only recall seeing one from a distance, that being the ex Queensland Premier's aircraft, and never took much notice. Would that be a version of a GTIO540? At 425 HP it sounds like an expensive nightmare - bit like that twin turbo conversion that went into the Aerostar 601P?
I would think one could probably buy a small, fast turbine for the cost of a Navajo/Chieftan plus the cost of conversion.
