Fly Killer affects compass.
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Fly Killer affects compass.
Bought one of those nifty little key-ring compasses for two bucks. Showed it to wife who at the time was spraying the kitchen to kill off a fly or two. She then happened to place the spray can next to the key-ring compass. The compass needle went ape and swung almost 180 degrees. Fascinated at this phenomenen I placed a tin of cat food next to the compass. No problem this time. So my research reveals a tin of cat food is safe in the cockpit.
Seeing as how there are probably many pilots up north who carry fly spray in the cockpit, thought it vital to put out a SAFETY ALERT to notify pilots that fly spray cannisters put on the windshield may cause dramatic compass deviations.
Might even be the cause of long time missing aircraft over the outback! Bert Hinkler,maybe. Might even contact Dick Smith to see if he is interested in sponsoring the design of a non-magnetic fly spray for Australian pilots. Any suggestions for a brand name? For instance, how about NFZ (No Fly Zone?)
Seeing as how there are probably many pilots up north who carry fly spray in the cockpit, thought it vital to put out a SAFETY ALERT to notify pilots that fly spray cannisters put on the windshield may cause dramatic compass deviations.
Might even be the cause of long time missing aircraft over the outback! Bert Hinkler,maybe. Might even contact Dick Smith to see if he is interested in sponsoring the design of a non-magnetic fly spray for Australian pilots. Any suggestions for a brand name? For instance, how about NFZ (No Fly Zone?)
I checked my compass with various metalic objects.
I notice there is no compass deflection when placed next to a carton of aluminium beer cans, regardless of whether the slab is warm or cold.
Under the circumstances CASA may care to make the carriage of a cold slab mandatory in all aircraft?
I notice there is no compass deflection when placed next to a carton of aluminium beer cans, regardless of whether the slab is warm or cold.
Under the circumstances CASA may care to make the carriage of a cold slab mandatory in all aircraft?
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Torres,
Up here (north of the equator) scientific tests prove that XXXX coldies are better for compass alignment than other brand-names, even at a warmer temperature.
We therefore have to keep sampling them to ensure they are cold enough to maintain an accurate course.
Up here (north of the equator) scientific tests prove that XXXX coldies are better for compass alignment than other brand-names, even at a warmer temperature.
We therefore have to keep sampling them to ensure they are cold enough to maintain an accurate course.
Kwaj me ol' Mate. I have been concerned XXXX quality may vary from day to day. Therefore, I sample the product every 24 hours and report back to the manufacturer if I get a crook one.
Haven't had to report back to the manufacturer. Ever!
There's some excellent qualities in the character of a XXXX drinker. Something one never finds in those who imbibe in VD, Fosters, Swan, Reches, et al! Ah, swill of the lower classes!
It's beer o'clock. See ya all termorra - when I'm sure those of lesser intellect from states other than XXXXland, will have posted here in a vain attempt to dispute my theories.
Haven't had to report back to the manufacturer. Ever!
There's some excellent qualities in the character of a XXXX drinker. Something one never finds in those who imbibe in VD, Fosters, Swan, Reches, et al! Ah, swill of the lower classes!
It's beer o'clock. See ya all termorra - when I'm sure those of lesser intellect from states other than XXXXland, will have posted here in a vain attempt to dispute my theories.
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EFIS, just one more recommendation to make sure no compass deviations occur...
take the metal screw cap off!
Personally.. A nice scotch, screw top removed... ice - just frozen water - shouldnt have magnetic properties either, and a glass to keep the ice in and the scotch which falls out of the bottle...
because the scotch will deteriorate in the light on the glare shield, one has to consume it, as concentrated scotch, reduced in sunlight has not been trialled by the relevant authorities and therefore can not be used yet.
scotch needs company as well... nice companion, another bottle of scotch in case the first bottle falls off!
take the metal screw cap off!
Personally.. A nice scotch, screw top removed... ice - just frozen water - shouldnt have magnetic properties either, and a glass to keep the ice in and the scotch which falls out of the bottle...
because the scotch will deteriorate in the light on the glare shield, one has to consume it, as concentrated scotch, reduced in sunlight has not been trialled by the relevant authorities and therefore can not be used yet.
scotch needs company as well... nice companion, another bottle of scotch in case the first bottle falls off!
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WE MEXICANS CAN SPELL
Torres
Careful with the XXXX beer.
We mexicans south of that border tend to avoid it and stick to Tooheys, occasionally also Carlton's green death when we need a chemical top-up.
But, really, are you admitting to drinking a beer from a slow torking State that cannot even spell "BEER" and has to just put "XXXX" instead?
Cheers
Careful with the XXXX beer.
We mexicans south of that border tend to avoid it and stick to Tooheys, occasionally also Carlton's green death when we need a chemical top-up.
But, really, are you admitting to drinking a beer from a slow torking State that cannot even spell "BEER" and has to just put "XXXX" instead?
Cheers
Ah Brian Mexicans can spell? Is the word "torking" (sic) Mexican, or is it "talking" misspelt?
Is there an Emerald in Victoria? Must have been named after Emerald, Queensland, a truly beautiful town which I'm sure could never be replicated in Victoria.
Victoria - some place indeed. Not quite the end of the world, but you can see it from Victoria!
Queensland - beautiful one day, perfect the next!
Is there an Emerald in Victoria? Must have been named after Emerald, Queensland, a truly beautiful town which I'm sure could never be replicated in Victoria.
Victoria - some place indeed. Not quite the end of the world, but you can see it from Victoria!
Queensland - beautiful one day, perfect the next!
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Northern Chique; endorse wholeheartedly your sentiments but please confirm that aforementioned Scotch is strictly limited to a single malt variety?
I agree with those who prefer XXXX as another lifetime ago I worked on a seismic crew with a bunch of Queenslanders. Trouble was that later on in my aviating career I had a Chief Pilot who persisted in confiscating our XXXX to check the cans for fingerprints.
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I agree with those who prefer XXXX as another lifetime ago I worked on a seismic crew with a bunch of Queenslanders. Trouble was that later on in my aviating career I had a Chief Pilot who persisted in confiscating our XXXX to check the cans for fingerprints.
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you're born. Once when
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Flying up north ,,,Those were the days..Flyspray effecting the compass ,yes we knew about that too..In our M.E.L.It was mandatory for us to carry a bottle of north seeking fish..Never failed ,but it was forbidden to carry cats on the flight deck ,lest it should upset the fish..Similar to keeping mobile phones and gameboys switched off nowadays.The fish new that if they stuffed up and position was unrecoverable that they would be the first thing on the menu ..Kept them honest..The bottle could also be suspended from the ceiling and act us standby AH.You would have to then 'Cage' the fish in turbulence or steep turns.Some operators used electric eels when night flying.They also made excellent Pitot covers..Those were the days..Lest we forget.!!
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Northern Chique,
I would have to agree with you that you need to have a least one bottle on standby. You never know when the primary bottle may just run out of fluid.
I would have to agree with you that you need to have a least one bottle on standby. You never know when the primary bottle may just run out of fluid.
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EMERALD - VICTORIA
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Emerald is the jewel of the crown in Victoria!
And, yes, I went to Emerald, Qld, when we did Federation Airshows in 2001. Didn't find a lot there but I have always been curious to see where my mail gets misdirected to!
cheers
Emerald is the jewel of the crown in Victoria!
And, yes, I went to Emerald, Qld, when we did Federation Airshows in 2001. Didn't find a lot there but I have always been curious to see where my mail gets misdirected to!
cheers
I can see a need for a CAR regarding the mandatory degaussing of fly-spray cans for aircraft use.
An ordinary can of spray will cost you $2.25 in Woolies. A can of certified fly-spray will only be available from ISO9002-certified suppliers, will have to be ordered in cases of 20 at a time and will have a use-by-date three months before the carton is actually delivered. Cost will be $US225 per can. Each will be traceable back to a production batch and be certificated to that effect.
Each can will be accompanied by its own QA certificate or maintenance release note and only aircrew who have done the CASA-approved course in "Anti Airborne-Insect Liquid Droplet Dispersion Systems And Techniques For Use Onboard Aircraft" will be allowed to operate said device, wearing the prescribed protective clothing.
Naturally the units will only be available in certified containers not exceeding 225g in weight, and , in the case of aerosols, be certified for use only whilst aircraft is on ground (or waterborne in the case of amphibious aircraft).
Each can will have standard dangerous good markings, have a different brand-name to the (chemically-identical) domestic product, will have to be disposed of when exhausted in such a way that no residual propellant gases are liberated into the atmosphere and will have a compass safe distance prominently marked on it.
Avionics technicians will have to regularly test randomly-chosen cans for compliance with labelling, weight and composition of contents and any remanent magnetic field, not including magnetic fields acquired due to standing on a pallet in storage for a long period of time. Regular measurements of the magnetic field in the fly-spray approved storage building will also be required to allow accurate calculation of remanent magnetism of degaussed cans. Standards Australia will issue the appropriate documentation for labs and workshops to conduct this testing, after payment of the appropriate fee and inspection.
For those unable to comply, CASA will also issue a recommendation that plastic fly-swatters be carried in the cabin of all aircraft operating in declared fly-infested areas. Again, there will be a CASA specification for the fly-swatters, and a supplier will have to conform to ISO9002, have an approved manufacturing facility, have adequate documentation to ensure each fly-swatter is traceable back to a specific production batch, be made of a certified recyclable plastic which has fire-resistant properties in case of a crash etc etc etc.
The manufacturer will have to be an equal opportunity employer with at least 3% non-English speaking staff, 7% indiginous Australian staff, 10% staff with a proven disability and not less than 25% of staff attending a TAFE or other higher education facility on a part-time basis. The workforce will also have to employ at least 15% women, 3% of whom must occupy senior executive positions.
Gawd, I wish I'd never started thinking about this!
An ordinary can of spray will cost you $2.25 in Woolies. A can of certified fly-spray will only be available from ISO9002-certified suppliers, will have to be ordered in cases of 20 at a time and will have a use-by-date three months before the carton is actually delivered. Cost will be $US225 per can. Each will be traceable back to a production batch and be certificated to that effect.
Each can will be accompanied by its own QA certificate or maintenance release note and only aircrew who have done the CASA-approved course in "Anti Airborne-Insect Liquid Droplet Dispersion Systems And Techniques For Use Onboard Aircraft" will be allowed to operate said device, wearing the prescribed protective clothing.
Naturally the units will only be available in certified containers not exceeding 225g in weight, and , in the case of aerosols, be certified for use only whilst aircraft is on ground (or waterborne in the case of amphibious aircraft).
Each can will have standard dangerous good markings, have a different brand-name to the (chemically-identical) domestic product, will have to be disposed of when exhausted in such a way that no residual propellant gases are liberated into the atmosphere and will have a compass safe distance prominently marked on it.
Avionics technicians will have to regularly test randomly-chosen cans for compliance with labelling, weight and composition of contents and any remanent magnetic field, not including magnetic fields acquired due to standing on a pallet in storage for a long period of time. Regular measurements of the magnetic field in the fly-spray approved storage building will also be required to allow accurate calculation of remanent magnetism of degaussed cans. Standards Australia will issue the appropriate documentation for labs and workshops to conduct this testing, after payment of the appropriate fee and inspection.
For those unable to comply, CASA will also issue a recommendation that plastic fly-swatters be carried in the cabin of all aircraft operating in declared fly-infested areas. Again, there will be a CASA specification for the fly-swatters, and a supplier will have to conform to ISO9002, have an approved manufacturing facility, have adequate documentation to ensure each fly-swatter is traceable back to a specific production batch, be made of a certified recyclable plastic which has fire-resistant properties in case of a crash etc etc etc.
The manufacturer will have to be an equal opportunity employer with at least 3% non-English speaking staff, 7% indiginous Australian staff, 10% staff with a proven disability and not less than 25% of staff attending a TAFE or other higher education facility on a part-time basis. The workforce will also have to employ at least 15% women, 3% of whom must occupy senior executive positions.
Gawd, I wish I'd never started thinking about this!
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Olderbutyzer; It's all too much and I agree.......
pass the Glenfiddich, there's a good chap...!
You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.
pass the Glenfiddich, there's a good chap...!
You only live twice. Once when
you're born. Once when
you've looked death in the face.
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