enquiry on casa cpl navigation
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enquiry on casa cpl navigation
hi all,
flying club quote that pilot in command navigation hours of about 1 hr is not considered as navigation.
is that true? smelling a rat here sumhow
flying club quote that pilot in command navigation hours of about 1 hr is not considered as navigation.
is that true? smelling a rat here sumhow
I’m guessing the OP means if he hires an aircraft for 1 hr and flys outside the training area can he class this as a solo Navex. I would personally think that at the speeds most training aircraft go you would only make it about thirty miles away and can probably still see the area you came from. Not sure that you can really call
it a navex (no idea what the regs would say), but even if it is classed as one (as you have left the training area) your only wasting your own time in money as will get very little benefit from it.
it a navex (no idea what the regs would say), but even if it is classed as one (as you have left the training area) your only wasting your own time in money as will get very little benefit from it.
I'm pretty sure that there's a rule specifying a 'no less than' distance from the home aerodrome before a nav 'counts' as a nav for competency purposes.
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Is this what the OP is asking? My bolding:
61.610 Aeronautical experience requirements for grant of commercial pilot licences—aeroplane category (1) An applicant for a commercial pilot licence with the aeroplane category rating must have at least 200 hours of aeronautical experience that includes: (a) at least 190 hours of flight time as a pilot; and (b) at least 100 hours of flight time as pilot in command of an aeroplane; and (c) at least 20 hours of cross-country flight time as pilot in command of an aeroplane; and (d) at least 10 hours of instrument time; and (e) at least 5 hours of instrument flight time in an aeroplane. (2) Any of the required aeronautical experience that is not completed as flight time as a pilot must be completed as simulated flight time in an approved flight simulation training device for the purpose. (3) The cross-country flight time required by paragraph (1)(c) must include a flight of at least 300 nautical miles during which a full-stop landing is made at each of 2 aerodromes not within the flight training area for the aerodrome from which the flight began.
Cross- country is also described generally in the definitions for Part 61:
cross-country flight means a flight along a pre-planned route during which the pilot uses geometry, topography or radio navigation aids to determine the aircraft‘s position and course.
Happy reading
61.610 Aeronautical experience requirements for grant of commercial pilot licences—aeroplane category (1) An applicant for a commercial pilot licence with the aeroplane category rating must have at least 200 hours of aeronautical experience that includes: (a) at least 190 hours of flight time as a pilot; and (b) at least 100 hours of flight time as pilot in command of an aeroplane; and (c) at least 20 hours of cross-country flight time as pilot in command of an aeroplane; and (d) at least 10 hours of instrument time; and (e) at least 5 hours of instrument flight time in an aeroplane. (2) Any of the required aeronautical experience that is not completed as flight time as a pilot must be completed as simulated flight time in an approved flight simulation training device for the purpose. (3) The cross-country flight time required by paragraph (1)(c) must include a flight of at least 300 nautical miles during which a full-stop landing is made at each of 2 aerodromes not within the flight training area for the aerodrome from which the flight began.
Cross- country is also described generally in the definitions for Part 61:
cross-country flight means a flight along a pre-planned route during which the pilot uses geometry, topography or radio navigation aids to determine the aircraft‘s position and course.
Happy reading
The above definition is the key piece of information here. They are being stingy if they are telling you it's not XC. You should have an easily defensible case that it's XC provided you haven't logged the flight as something like "YMMB - YMMB" or "YMMB - Training Area (Steep Turns) - YMMB".
Although practical reality has little to do with aviation regulation....
Perhaps you should consider that 30 minutes out and 30 minutes back isn’t much of a NAVEX? Long NAVEXs may be more expensive, but they are of great value.
Perhaps you should consider that 30 minutes out and 30 minutes back isn’t much of a NAVEX? Long NAVEXs may be more expensive, but they are of great value.
