Children of the Magenta Line. Applies to GA types too
RE TSO129 vs 146 GPS
My understanding is that you absolutely can use a 129 gps for en route and approaches, but for it to be considered as an "aid" for alternate requirements it must be a 146a.
The logic behind that as explained to me was that for something like a standard raim outage, all 129s become useless where as each 146 independently continues to operate. (If you don't understand why go do a refresher course).
As food for thought, I've heard a lot of older B737s in the countey all still have dual 129 gps (and dual all the other aids too).
My understanding is that you absolutely can use a 129 gps for en route and approaches, but for it to be considered as an "aid" for alternate requirements it must be a 146a.
The logic behind that as explained to me was that for something like a standard raim outage, all 129s become useless where as each 146 independently continues to operate. (If you don't understand why go do a refresher course).
As food for thought, I've heard a lot of older B737s in the countey all still have dual 129 gps (and dual all the other aids too).
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I have only just read this thread and have found it most interesting. Good arguments have been made from both sides.
FWIW, coming from someone who did a CPL before GPS etc was even invented......
I still believe that every Pilot should still be capable of using a map, the old 'prayer wheel' (Kane Mk6 or the Jeppesen CR2) etc
Ok, it may never happen, but just say that one day Kim Fat Wun (or some such crazy) gets so out of line that the order is given and in some deep, ferro concrete hardened shelter somewhere in the USA, General G I Brassbottom reaches out to the GPS on/off switch and selects the OFF position!
Or a minor star in what is known as the 'Milky way' suddenly decides to start having a massive attack of the sunspots!
Massive Solar storms, an' all. Doesn't do HF comms a world of good, and I believe some Satellites don't really care for such events either.
Oh, and ShyTorque; Most interesting is your post! I was once shown how to hand start a 260hp Lycoming. I have posted the story elsewhere on this site.
Yes, it happened many years ago. But last I heard, the same old 60(?)year old design engine and systems albeit with slight modifications,were still being used in modern aircraft.
Abovementioned post quoted below;
FWIW, coming from someone who did a CPL before GPS etc was even invented......
I still believe that every Pilot should still be capable of using a map, the old 'prayer wheel' (Kane Mk6 or the Jeppesen CR2) etc
Ok, it may never happen, but just say that one day Kim Fat Wun (or some such crazy) gets so out of line that the order is given and in some deep, ferro concrete hardened shelter somewhere in the USA, General G I Brassbottom reaches out to the GPS on/off switch and selects the OFF position!
Or a minor star in what is known as the 'Milky way' suddenly decides to start having a massive attack of the sunspots!
Massive Solar storms, an' all. Doesn't do HF comms a world of good, and I believe some Satellites don't really care for such events either. Oh, and ShyTorque; Most interesting is your post! I was once shown how to hand start a 260hp Lycoming. I have posted the story elsewhere on this site.
Yes, it happened many years ago. But last I heard, the same old 60(?)year old design engine and systems albeit with slight modifications,were still being used in modern aircraft.
Abovementioned post quoted below;
When I started my first job in PNG with DZ; after doing the endorsement on the BN2 the Chief Pilot raised an interesting scenario.
"You're on a bush strip the other side of the Owen Stanleys and it's near enough to 'beer o clock on a Friday afternoon so all you want to do is get back to Moresby for the Friday night BBQ and have a few drinks and the starter motor on an engine goes u/s.......what do you do?
He then proceeded to demonstrate how to hand start the BN2's 260hp Lycomings. Brakes on, engine primed with both mags on and throttle fully closed. It fired on about the third swing.
Around 18 months later and with another company in PNG one Friday afternoon about 1630hrs local I found myself in precisely that situation!!!! I set everything up as I had been shown and started swinging, much to the amusement of the locals who were lined up along the side of the strip pointing and laughing at the 'long long balus man.' At somewhere around the 16th or 17th swing away it went and about 3 minutes later I was airborne and climbing for 9500' to slip through the gap back to PY leaving behind a strangely silent mob of villagers whom were busy picking their jaws off the ground!
"You're on a bush strip the other side of the Owen Stanleys and it's near enough to 'beer o clock on a Friday afternoon so all you want to do is get back to Moresby for the Friday night BBQ and have a few drinks and the starter motor on an engine goes u/s.......what do you do?
He then proceeded to demonstrate how to hand start the BN2's 260hp Lycomings. Brakes on, engine primed with both mags on and throttle fully closed. It fired on about the third swing.
Around 18 months later and with another company in PNG one Friday afternoon about 1630hrs local I found myself in precisely that situation!!!! I set everything up as I had been shown and started swinging, much to the amusement of the locals who were lined up along the side of the strip pointing and laughing at the 'long long balus man.' At somewhere around the 16th or 17th swing away it went and about 3 minutes later I was airborne and climbing for 9500' to slip through the gap back to PY leaving behind a strangely silent mob of villagers whom were busy picking their jaws off the ground!
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Pinky, I must say it's not quite so easy when you're flying a turbine engined aircraft... 
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ShyTourque; Point taken and conceded, Sir!
However, I'm sure that you get my drift; ie not all ops are Turbine.
However, I'm sure that you get my drift; ie not all ops are Turbine.
Pinky,
Didn’t you receive the training on how to hunt down SP or anything stronger when going U/S remotely?
Went U/S at Namanatani (?) once in a Otter early one afternoon, had a FO with me and he said what do we do now? I said I will source a box of SP and accomodation with 20 Kina. An hour later we had accomodation and were on the juice. It still can be done today in PNG!
Back to the topic, how many new pilots know how to do a 1:60 and actually use a wiz wheel in flight these days?
Didn’t you receive the training on how to hunt down SP or anything stronger when going U/S remotely?
Went U/S at Namanatani (?) once in a Otter early one afternoon, had a FO with me and he said what do we do now? I said I will source a box of SP and accomodation with 20 Kina. An hour later we had accomodation and were on the juice. It still can be done today in PNG!
Back to the topic, how many new pilots know how to do a 1:60 and actually use a wiz wheel in flight these days?
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Didn’t you receive the training on how to hunt down SP or anything stronger when going U/S remotely?
And if I remember correctly, the place where this incident happened was one of the areas which frown upon such things as alcoholic beverages.
