Aircrew pocket knives/tools
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Aircrew pocket knives/tools
Hi all,
Just wondering what's CASA's view on GA pilots carrying pocket knives, similar to swiss army or leatherman knives, with a range of tools inside.
Is that tantamount to carrying weapons on board?
Also, if we were to carry it in person when we're flying to Class C airports such as Sydney or Melbourne, will we get through security without problems with such tools on us?
Just wondering what's CASA's view on GA pilots carrying pocket knives, similar to swiss army or leatherman knives, with a range of tools inside.
Is that tantamount to carrying weapons on board?
Also, if we were to carry it in person when we're flying to Class C airports such as Sydney or Melbourne, will we get through security without problems with such tools on us?
Private aircraft, private airport - go your hardest. Take the shotgun.
You've missed the point. Its about a anti-terrorism not about pilots. The screening is linked to airports not aircraft.
You've missed the point. Its about a anti-terrorism not about pilots. The screening is linked to airports not aircraft.
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Aviation Transport Security Act
Regs - Part 4 Other Security Measures
Div 4.2 Weapons
4.52 Aviation Industry Participants Authorised to Have Weapons (not firearms) in Possession in Secure Areas
1.An aviation industry participant is authorised to have a weapon (other than a firearm) in its possession in an airside or a landside security zone if:
1. the weapon is a tool of trade, and
2. the aviation industry participant takes reasonable precautions to ensure that the weapon remains under its control
2. For paragraph (1) (a) something is a tool of trade if the relevant aviation industry participant requires it for a lawful purpose.
Or has this changed?
Regs - Part 4 Other Security Measures
Div 4.2 Weapons
4.52 Aviation Industry Participants Authorised to Have Weapons (not firearms) in Possession in Secure Areas
1.An aviation industry participant is authorised to have a weapon (other than a firearm) in its possession in an airside or a landside security zone if:
1. the weapon is a tool of trade, and
2. the aviation industry participant takes reasonable precautions to ensure that the weapon remains under its control
2. For paragraph (1) (a) something is a tool of trade if the relevant aviation industry participant requires it for a lawful purpose.
Or has this changed?
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Also, if we were to carry it in person when we're flying to Class C airports such as Sydney or Melbourne, will we get through security without problems with such tools on us?
Not a chance of getting through.
Originally Posted by magicalflights View Post
Also, if we were to carry it in person when we're flying to Class C airports such as Sydney or Melbourne, will we get through security without problems with such tools on us?
Not a chance of getting through.
You could just leave it in your aircraft, as no one is going to inspect it. The main issue comes if you want to pax home after a flight and don't want to check it in.
The airside engineers always have a multi-tool on them, no one ever questions it.
As for CASA, they don't care, this is a Security issue not a Safety issue.
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Isn't the fuel sampler an essential toolkit? And on some aircrafts, to unlatch the cowling (to check engine oil), you'll need a screw driver...
Yep, but you can't take it through security!
Plan Ahead! As someone has mentioned, if you think you will need to go through security, leave your tools in your aircraft. If you are travelling with the airlines with your kit, you may have to check in your bag.
Plan Ahead! As someone has mentioned, if you think you will need to go through security, leave your tools in your aircraft. If you are travelling with the airlines with your kit, you may have to check in your bag.
My fuel strainer with screwdriver lives in my carry on bag all the time and surprisingly no problems yet! I'm sure I'll have to put up with an over zealous security fool at some point but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it!
And I'm sure someone will ask why I don't just check it in, personally my carry on bag contains everything I need to be able to go to work, headset, EFB, mounts, laptop etc... the stuff that if my checked in bag got lost I would be annoyed but I wouldn't have to call up the boss and tell him "Sorry, can't fly, no headset/licence/EFB..." which is why the strainer is in there. I've always figured worse case scenario I'll chuck out the screw driver bit if they're going to make a real fuss about it.
And I'm sure someone will ask why I don't just check it in, personally my carry on bag contains everything I need to be able to go to work, headset, EFB, mounts, laptop etc... the stuff that if my checked in bag got lost I would be annoyed but I wouldn't have to call up the boss and tell him "Sorry, can't fly, no headset/licence/EFB..." which is why the strainer is in there. I've always figured worse case scenario I'll chuck out the screw driver bit if they're going to make a real fuss about it.
I reckon Currawong has nailed it pretty well.
As for getting through terminals, unless you are flying or paxing on a prescribed air service there is no requirement for you to be subject to the screening process. So the only other way you are likely to get done is the unlikely event that there is some sort of airside inspection regime in place. Never seen it at any of the Security Cat 2 or Cat 3 airports that I have flown into.
I have always had a leatherman in my flight bag. In the bad old days before the regulation requiring all aircraft departing off the same apron as the screened service to also be screened was amended, I used to just leave said tool in the aircraft. It was a ridiculous regulation that took a lot of work to have amended to a more common sense approach.
As for getting through terminals, unless you are flying or paxing on a prescribed air service there is no requirement for you to be subject to the screening process. So the only other way you are likely to get done is the unlikely event that there is some sort of airside inspection regime in place. Never seen it at any of the Security Cat 2 or Cat 3 airports that I have flown into.
I have always had a leatherman in my flight bag. In the bad old days before the regulation requiring all aircraft departing off the same apron as the screened service to also be screened was amended, I used to just leave said tool in the aircraft. It was a ridiculous regulation that took a lot of work to have amended to a more common sense approach.