Tamworth industry rally - friday 6 may 2016
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Jeff Boyd, to his credit answered the hard questions, I like what I heard from this bloke BUT it beggars belief that a board or a minister or deputy prime minister CANNOT direct a rouge DAS in desperate times. Whatever it takes Jeff, this has to change.
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The age of the attendees. No disrespect but if this is representative of aviation in this country
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Ultra,
you hit the nail on the head, where are the up and comings?
Way back when, my local aeroclub had monthly club days, families would make a day of it, playground available for the kids, barbie in the afternoon. There were also regular fly aways.
Flying unfortunately is just not fun anymore, its become a highly stressful, very complicated to get into and very expensive exercise, there are far easier to access and inexpensive things for young people to get their thrills.
Overregulation, an overbearing regulator, and placing profit orientated development sharks in control of our airports has made aviation so "safe" its unaffordable.
The point of the airports act was to reserve land for present and future aviation use, yet at every turn that principle has been eroded in pursuit of the holy dollar.
The "user pays principle" so vigorously applied to the aviation industry could also be applied to other public utilities. I'm sure McBank would love to get hold of our national Parks for example and turn them into tax free cash cows, all for the public good of course.
Take a tour round a few country airports in the USA and see the level of activity that proper regulations can do, and they achieve better safety outcomes than us.
Twenty five years or more and half a billion dollars to half finish a regulatory suite, that is gobbledegook, and is decimating the industry.
Whats the point of expending another half billion and another 25 years to finish them if there's not going to be an industry left to regulate?
The bloke who famously said if he had his way the only aviation in Australia would be the RAAF and RPT.
He's still there at fort fumble, so are the people who oversaw Part 61.
The solution is so simple, for a few million dollars Australia could adopt Kiwi regulations, the industry could get on with it, generating jobs, producing innovative exportable products and making a huge contribution to our GDP. The Kiwis showed the way, aviation is now their third biggest contributor to their GDP.
you hit the nail on the head, where are the up and comings?
Way back when, my local aeroclub had monthly club days, families would make a day of it, playground available for the kids, barbie in the afternoon. There were also regular fly aways.
Flying unfortunately is just not fun anymore, its become a highly stressful, very complicated to get into and very expensive exercise, there are far easier to access and inexpensive things for young people to get their thrills.
Overregulation, an overbearing regulator, and placing profit orientated development sharks in control of our airports has made aviation so "safe" its unaffordable.
The point of the airports act was to reserve land for present and future aviation use, yet at every turn that principle has been eroded in pursuit of the holy dollar.
The "user pays principle" so vigorously applied to the aviation industry could also be applied to other public utilities. I'm sure McBank would love to get hold of our national Parks for example and turn them into tax free cash cows, all for the public good of course.
Take a tour round a few country airports in the USA and see the level of activity that proper regulations can do, and they achieve better safety outcomes than us.
Twenty five years or more and half a billion dollars to half finish a regulatory suite, that is gobbledegook, and is decimating the industry.
Whats the point of expending another half billion and another 25 years to finish them if there's not going to be an industry left to regulate?
The bloke who famously said if he had his way the only aviation in Australia would be the RAAF and RPT.
He's still there at fort fumble, so are the people who oversaw Part 61.
The solution is so simple, for a few million dollars Australia could adopt Kiwi regulations, the industry could get on with it, generating jobs, producing innovative exportable products and making a huge contribution to our GDP. The Kiwis showed the way, aviation is now their third biggest contributor to their GDP.
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Thorn Bird:
You don't even have to go to the USA, visit NZ! Every little Country airport seems to ha ve at least one turbine chopper sitting there and the day we went to Milford Sound the sightseeing aircraft were as thick as blowflies around a cow pat.
Just look at the NZ videos on youtube, guys landing on beaches, river banks and mountain ridges - do any of that in Australia and you will get arrested.
Take a tour round a few country airports in the USA and see the level of activity that proper regulations can do,
Just look at the NZ videos on youtube, guys landing on beaches, river banks and mountain ridges - do any of that in Australia and you will get arrested.
Ultra,
you hit the nail on the head, where are the up and comings?
you hit the nail on the head, where are the up and comings?
I can only think of one person my age who took up flying so it could become a hobby not a career, and he, due to some atypical IT skills, had a salary at 20, most 40 year olds would be quite happy with!
The Rally
Firstly, a pat on the back to Ben for arranging it. The young fella did a bloody good job.
Regarding our Chairman. First chance I've had to actually see him engage with Industry. Wow! If you sat that bloke in a room and made him talk to 10 Businesses one on one for 45 minutes each, you would have him in tears. You could see his pain yesterday. He really really does get it. I'm not suggesting he will achieve everything, but treat him with the respect he is entitled to, so he sticks it out, and we will be our best hope.
Regarding the age. It was terrifying. At 50, I felt like I was underage in an over 30s night. As a flying school owner with a commercial interest. I realised that a whole generation has been lost. Our challenge is greater than trying to sustain an Industry, its actually about reinventing it. Not sure if the generation will be around to do it. With regard to the "oldies". Thanks fellas, a heap of experience, wisdom and passion still. You really are the generation. You just cant knock it out of them. Nothing less than inspiring.
Regarding the Minister and Deputy Prime Minister, having little concept. Its true, but I get it. They each have a very broad range of responsibilities and many sub issues within each responsibility. It was an eye opening experience and I realised the importance of clear, and concise communications with them. Their job is the "big picture" stuff. Without any doubt, I realised that we really need people within CASA actually effecting the change. There are so many issues that its actually overwhelming for a politician.
Regarding ADSB. I think common sense will prevail here, I really do.
At the function, a lady by the name of Kirralie Smith from the Australian Liberty Alliance introduced herself. It was obvious they were passionate about Small Business, reduced Regulatory Burden and a number of issues that most "Australian Minded" people from all backgrounds would identify with. She corrected my perception of them being anti Muslim and explained it was more about halting "Government Induced Islamification into our way of life" . My words, not hers. I viewed their Website last night, and they are seeking assistance developing an Aviation Policy. If anyone thinks that they empathise enough with their views, and is happy to help them develop an Aviation Policy, im sure they would be keen.
Have to shoot off for the kids sports run again but will jot down some further thoughts from yesterdays gathering. Cheers. Glen.
Regarding our Chairman. First chance I've had to actually see him engage with Industry. Wow! If you sat that bloke in a room and made him talk to 10 Businesses one on one for 45 minutes each, you would have him in tears. You could see his pain yesterday. He really really does get it. I'm not suggesting he will achieve everything, but treat him with the respect he is entitled to, so he sticks it out, and we will be our best hope.
Regarding the age. It was terrifying. At 50, I felt like I was underage in an over 30s night. As a flying school owner with a commercial interest. I realised that a whole generation has been lost. Our challenge is greater than trying to sustain an Industry, its actually about reinventing it. Not sure if the generation will be around to do it. With regard to the "oldies". Thanks fellas, a heap of experience, wisdom and passion still. You really are the generation. You just cant knock it out of them. Nothing less than inspiring.
Regarding the Minister and Deputy Prime Minister, having little concept. Its true, but I get it. They each have a very broad range of responsibilities and many sub issues within each responsibility. It was an eye opening experience and I realised the importance of clear, and concise communications with them. Their job is the "big picture" stuff. Without any doubt, I realised that we really need people within CASA actually effecting the change. There are so many issues that its actually overwhelming for a politician.
Regarding ADSB. I think common sense will prevail here, I really do.
At the function, a lady by the name of Kirralie Smith from the Australian Liberty Alliance introduced herself. It was obvious they were passionate about Small Business, reduced Regulatory Burden and a number of issues that most "Australian Minded" people from all backgrounds would identify with. She corrected my perception of them being anti Muslim and explained it was more about halting "Government Induced Islamification into our way of life" . My words, not hers. I viewed their Website last night, and they are seeking assistance developing an Aviation Policy. If anyone thinks that they empathise enough with their views, and is happy to help them develop an Aviation Policy, im sure they would be keen.
Have to shoot off for the kids sports run again but will jot down some further thoughts from yesterdays gathering. Cheers. Glen.
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Great job Ben, and good seeing people on the "same page".
A useful read is Paul Phelan, to remind us of how we have got to this point and Pollies taking their eye off the ball.
The story is gradually being picked up around Australia:
Media pickups and stories
A useful read is Paul Phelan, to remind us of how we have got to this point and Pollies taking their eye off the ball.
The story is gradually being picked up around Australia:
Media pickups and stories
glenb, ALA, they might be on to something...
"...Paul Zanetti spots the political movement shifting through the web but unnoticed by the media:
Has anyone else noticed there’s a political movement underway in Australia that much of the media isn’t quite plugged into yet?
In the reader comments section of every news site, every blog, every social media post after every terror attack, every Delcon opinion post, Turnbull poll piece, Shorten policy announcement, mosque story and debt and deficit update you’ll pick up the mood swing.
“I’ve had enough of the Libs, I’m voting ALA.”
“I’ve been a Liberal Party member and volunteer all my life. No more. It’s ALA for me.”
And on and on it goes. Every day. White. Hot. Anger.
Insiders within the ALA hierarchy tell me they will likely have 10 Senate candidates for the July 2 election, and are presently screening multiple candidates for the lower house.Queensland is most advanced in the lower house pre-selection process, with an army of volunteers working on the ground in branches throughout the state.
As the Liberal Party lurches further to the left ALA is positioning itself as the alternative conservative party. They will likely be to the Liberals what the Greens are to Labor. Many experienced, valuable volunteers have jumped ship from the National and Liberal parties..."
Delcons: Might be a million votes that don?t matter « JoNova
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"...Paul Zanetti spots the political movement shifting through the web but unnoticed by the media:
Has anyone else noticed there’s a political movement underway in Australia that much of the media isn’t quite plugged into yet?
In the reader comments section of every news site, every blog, every social media post after every terror attack, every Delcon opinion post, Turnbull poll piece, Shorten policy announcement, mosque story and debt and deficit update you’ll pick up the mood swing.
“I’ve had enough of the Libs, I’m voting ALA.”
“I’ve been a Liberal Party member and volunteer all my life. No more. It’s ALA for me.”
And on and on it goes. Every day. White. Hot. Anger.
Insiders within the ALA hierarchy tell me they will likely have 10 Senate candidates for the July 2 election, and are presently screening multiple candidates for the lower house.Queensland is most advanced in the lower house pre-selection process, with an army of volunteers working on the ground in branches throughout the state.
As the Liberal Party lurches further to the left ALA is positioning itself as the alternative conservative party. They will likely be to the Liberals what the Greens are to Labor. Many experienced, valuable volunteers have jumped ship from the National and Liberal parties..."
Delcons: Might be a million votes that don?t matter « JoNova
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You can all go home now…..
To be blunt, this exercise is like peeing in a wetsuit: you get a nice warm feeling but nobody else knows.
UNLESS this event is the start of concerted and continuous industry action to break up CASA and reform the Act, regulations and enforcement.
To be blunt, this exercise is like peeing in a wetsuit: you get a nice warm feeling but nobody else knows.
UNLESS this event is the start of concerted and continuous industry action to break up CASA and reform the Act, regulations and enforcement.
I commend Benjamin on his actions and commitment, as these types of actions are not only stressful, but expensive and time consuming. I wouldn't be at all surprised if certain individuals have made threats too; people get very emotional when their jobs are on the line. This isn't something that your average man signs up for.
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Sunnie is absolutely correct. The issue has to become one of a public concern and there is the rub. I would have thought the Foreign Correspondent report on the Air Asia X crash might have caused an interest given the crash aircraft had flown here 78 times with the fault, but no, nothing. Cheap fares are everything.
As an aside I was appalled at the comment from our regulator that thankfully no Australians died in the crash. Imperialism dies hard.
As an aside I was appalled at the comment from our regulator that thankfully no Australians died in the crash. Imperialism dies hard.
Squawk7700, you consistently misrepresent my postings. For the record, more power to Benjamin and Aviationadvertiser! My point is that if everyone now goes home with a nice warm feeling about having vented at the rally, nothing will be achieved. That is what CASA and the politicians are counting on - your inertia.
What has to happen now is to capitalise on the little bit of momentum that has been generated and keep pushing the reform wagon harder....and exactly how to do that this morning escapes me.....
What has to happen now is to capitalise on the little bit of momentum that has been generated and keep pushing the reform wagon harder....and exactly how to do that this morning escapes me.....
Vote for candidates who aren't aligned with the major parties. There's a slim chance that non-aligned members of parliament might use their vote for the public good, rather than for the good of people who own the major parties.
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What has to happen now is to capitalise on the little bit of momentum that has been generated and keep pushing the reform wagon harder....and exactly how to do that this morning escapes me.....
Perhaps a series of meetings in the most marginal seats involving first one party and at the next meeting the other main party. Marginal seats tend to concentrate politicians minds.
If we can worry them maybe something will be done. The aspiring candidates should be invited to those meetings.
Having attended the gathering, one thing struck me. The age of the attendees. No disrespect but if this is representative of aviation in this country then we're in more trouble than I thought.
Second to that aviation is archaic. There is very little technological uptake due to the ridiculous regulation. Let's be honest new motor cars are more comfortable than any light aircraft at a fraction of the cost. It's not till you get into a corporate King Air or Jet do you actually get anything resembling modern comfort. Aviation was at the cutting edge in about 1930 and that's where it stayed.
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That Kirralie Smith is no 'tard. I wonder how she would react to having someone walk in and dumping on her desk the whole set of documents (in paper form) that a pilot has to have to comply with (even a private pilot flying his family...same set yer)
Maybe even other pollies...wake them up.
Maybe even other pollies...wake them up.