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Old 13th Dec 2013, 00:15
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How to really use brakes

With regards to GA aircraft, what is considered best practice on the use of brakes?

Points I've obtained from various sources, like CPs, CFIs, POHs etc:
- Don't ride the brakes (obviously). Set a lower power setting to minimise brake usage whilst taxiing.
- Heavy brake application for short periods (like landing roll) is beneficial to the system, as it prevents 'glazing' of the pads
- GA Aircraft pads naturally contact the disc at all times and this is normal
- Park brake should be left off (level surface) during parking to eliminate unnecessary wear/pressure on system during periods of disuse.

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Old 13th Dec 2013, 00:34
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Agree with point 1, not too sure about Point 2 and 3 though. Point 4 I disagree with a little, I'm really not sure that leaving the Park Brake on would cause that much wear, but I prefer not to leave it on and use chocks instead because of temperature differences, if you're setting it on a scorching hot day in the outback and it gets bloody cold in the evening the fluid condenses and you may no longer have sufficient pressure to keep the aircraft stationary.
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All well and good but what does the approved manufactures handbook say?

As they say opinions are like *** ****, everyone's got one....
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1. I agree completely – common sense.

2. Agree to some extent – but aerodynamic braking followed by light wheel brake application will probably work out better wear-wise in the longer term

3. If the pads and discs are in constant contact, then presumably this 'glazing' will occur regardless of brake use?

4. Park brake is there for a reason. At my operator, brakes and chocks.
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How to really use brakes

Most of the Cessna handbrakes are bloody useless anyway. Chocks all the way.
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4. In a Hangar? definitely NOT! chocks only.
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er, seems to be some misconceptions about what glazing is and what causes it. 5 min searching throws up some specialist websites with info on it.
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Most of the Cessna handbrakes are bloody useless anyway. Chocks all the way.
Have you tried writing that up in the maintenance release so an LAME can fix the "useless" park brake?
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How to use brakes:

1. Use them when you need them.

2. Don't use them so often that they are not there when you NEED them.

3. Comply with the manufacturers recommendations!
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Old 13th Dec 2013, 06:44
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Don't touch the brakes unless you have to. Do you know how much brake pads cost matey!
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And maybe $36 a set on the one I fly, whats the fuss?
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Have you tried writing that up in the maintenance release so an LAME can fix the "useless" park brake?
Now let's be reasonable here....
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Two answers here both potentially diff.
You own the plane, brakes used very judicially.
Rented/hired or someone else owns it as you see fit to stop the plane doing what you don't want it to.
Brakes are a normal wear & tear item on any moving machine.
You might have babied them over the last few hundred hrs & when it came to that 100 hrly they didn't need replacing but you would never know even if you didn't baby them during the same period, nothing to compare with too many variables here.


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The park brake is to stop the plane rolling in a strong wind or downhill while you are in attendance. Not in attendance? Use chocks.

Leaving a park brake for any length of time pressurises the brake system, is hard on seals and is unreliable. I find it hard to believe any experienced pilot could advocate it.
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Judicial use of brakes!!!!!!!!!!

I ride my brakes which is SOP for the type. it is cheaper than replacing a pair of GTSIO gear boxes after they chatter and eventually break a gear tooth.

Every aircraft has a different SOP
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Brakes

-Don't ride the brakes (obviously). Set a lower power setting to minimise brake usage whilst taxiing.

- Don't touch the brakes unless you have to. Do you know how much brake pads cost matey!
I once worked for an experienced charter operator who owned & operated some of the larger s/e Cessna's, and his policy was to use the brakes when taxing and keep the engine running smoothly at slightly above normal taxi RPM. His philosophy was that brake pads were cheaper than engine mounts. I believe he was correct.

The other technique that is worth considering, and is perhaps more effective in larger aircraft is that if you are going to use brakes on landing, then it is better (more effective) to use more brake early in the landing roll backing off as you slow down, than to use not much to start with, only perhaps to find you need to apply heavy braking at the end of the roll.

And when you park, always use chocks. No park brake when refuelling either.

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"Always use clocks...." Don't ya love auto correct!!
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Old 14th Dec 2013, 03:40
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maybe it wasn't autocorrect- maybe he uses clocks as chocks.
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$36k per set on the aircraft I fly!
Stop showing off about your personal Citation X.

I bet the ones at work on the King Air get a work out.
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