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Old 24th Aug 2013, 02:08
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Australian type rating preferred

Just to let everyone know first I did use the search function and didn't come up with anything.
I have just been told that Tiger and Jetstar wont accept A320 endorsed applicants who have done the rating outside Australia. The excuse given was that the ratings done overseas were of an "inferior" quality to the ones done in Melbourne and Brisbane.

I know you can get a bus rating in the US for around 13k AUD. The price here is apparently 30K AUD for the short course and 35K AUD for the long course! Can someone please tell me what the extra 22k AUD goes to or is it just a case of there isn't any competition so they can charge what they like?

If the rating was so inferior why do CASA let you put it on your licence when you get back from the USA in the first place?
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Didn't seem to worry JQ recently when they sent a few groundschools to the UK for their endorsement!
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A full and comprehensive two word answer: Parochialism and Prejudice.
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Got it in 2! Oh, and no cut for the airline of course !
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Not so cynical...

There is a significant difference in the content of a couple of A320 courses in the US and the Alteon product here in Oz. The US courses cover more than 43% of the Alteon course as you prices dictate could imply, but several significant omissions nonetheless.

I had heard on the grapevine that CASA are aware of his and were thinking of taking steps to put a stop to overseas cheap endorsements. It could be that they can't prevent it so are applying pressure through the operator.

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jetstar, in the past atleast, had a vested interest because they charged a facilitation fee.

not sure if thats still the case.

plenty at jq have done endorsements outside aus.

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Australian type rating preferred

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Can I ask where you heard this?
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Tiger accept overseas 'type ratings'.

Your information is incorrect.

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Morno is spot on. Tiger definitely accepts overseas type rating and even told recent guys at interviews to go and do it in the usa
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Australian type rating preferred

Exactly what I was told in interview.
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My info came from a pilot who recently left Tiger. When he was hired he was told specifically that he had to go to Ansett in Melbourne, Alteon in Brisbane or CAE in Kuala Lumpur. No other TRTO would be acceptable.

He was unaware of a policy change.

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Where did the mindset originate that endorsements/type ratings conducted in Australia were more superior to those from overseas?
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Didn't you know, the Aussies invented aviation and know how to fly aircraft better than everyone else
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Didn't you know, the Aussies invented aviation and know how to fly aircraft better than everyone else
Now now Ollie, lets not get all revisionist, the Ozzies didn't invent aviation or flying for that matter, the accepted version of events is that a couple of bike mechanic brothers did it in Kitty Hawk North Carolina.
The Ozzies as they will most certainly tell you....merely perfected it ...after all, look at the number of ex space shuttle commanders still working in aviation in Oz........it must be a battle to get through each day knowing how superior their skill set is in comparison to others...

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There is a significant difference in the content of a couple of A320 courses in the US and the Alteon product here in Oz. The US courses cover more than 43% of the Alteon course as you prices dictate could imply, but several significant omissions nonetheless.
If the Alteon product is so good, how come CASA stepped in earlier this year and withdrew its approval for Alteon to conduct A320 type rating courses?
Rumour on the grapevine only, of course.
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I didn't say it was good!

However some of the stuff I was told that was not covered in the US course was surprising.
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CS,

I'm keen to know what isn't covered so I can understand how its worth the extra 22k.
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It could be that they can't prevent it so are applying pressure through the operator.
Most likely the other way around with operators applying pressure on the regulator so candidates pay the 'approved' course.
Has an investigation been done into collusion and possible price fixing between sim training organisations in Australia. Not accusing but an interesting point that pilotchute brought up into what exactly is worth the extra 22K.
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After a bit more digging I have come up with some interesting observations.

Now that you don't need a letter from an A320 operator to do a type rating at Ansett, Tiger no longer require you to do the rating in Australia.

Apparently you needed the letter cause Ansett would use the Tiger manuals to train you with if you were going to work for them.

Suspicious?

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I'm keen to know what isn't covered so I can understand how its worth the extra 22k.
Its most likely the multiple de-orbit burns, and dead-stick landing practice down to CAT3 landing mins with a basic panel, no flaps, and a fire in the cargo hold. Thats just the first 10 minutes of the session!
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