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Climate Change is good science, backed by 30 years of peer-reviewed research.
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Binghi, I see you've decided to kick the tin a little further down the street.
I read a blog recently, covering the David Rose and Judith Curry articles in the Mail on Sunday .
Rose and Curry Double Down on Global Warming Denial
The basic assertion is that global surface temperatures have not warmed in 16 years, well 15 and a bit....but who's counting.
IMHO, one of the posters in the comments section provides a good summary of the situation....
"AGW as an issue of science is generally accepted within the science community and the data that serves as evidence for this position, though it is complex, is not confusing for those who have studied the science and understand the nature of natural systems.
Now how many people in the general population are going to be able to fit in this niche of comprehension?
For every Einstein there is a soccer stadium full of halfwit hooligans swilling beer and screaming at men kicking a ball.
Taking a marginal point and spinning it into a unjustifiable conclusion is as easy as selling lotto tickets to the delusional."
I read a blog recently, covering the David Rose and Judith Curry articles in the Mail on Sunday .
Rose and Curry Double Down on Global Warming Denial
The basic assertion is that global surface temperatures have not warmed in 16 years, well 15 and a bit....but who's counting.
IMHO, one of the posters in the comments section provides a good summary of the situation....
"AGW as an issue of science is generally accepted within the science community and the data that serves as evidence for this position, though it is complex, is not confusing for those who have studied the science and understand the nature of natural systems.
Now how many people in the general population are going to be able to fit in this niche of comprehension?
For every Einstein there is a soccer stadium full of halfwit hooligans swilling beer and screaming at men kicking a ball.
Taking a marginal point and spinning it into a unjustifiable conclusion is as easy as selling lotto tickets to the delusional."
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...Heh,like Al Gore selling carbon credits to climate hysterics..
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...Taking a marginal point and spinning it into a unjustifiable conclusion is as easy as selling lotto tickets to the delusional...
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The climate antichrist is to blame...
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"Data"..
Do tell Towering Q, what is this "evidence" ?
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In the news 1913...
"...The heat in the country last week was terrific, ranging from 120 to 125(51.7c) degrees. Birds and plain turkeys were found dead, and kangaroos and wallabies were so overcome as to refuse to move, and could be killed without resistance..."
09 Dec 1913 - TERRIFIC HEAT. BIRDS FALL DEAD. A CYCLONE FOLLOW...
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"Data"..
via Towering Q: ...the data that serves as evidence for this position, though it is complex, is not confusing for those who...
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In the news 1913...
"...The heat in the country last week was terrific, ranging from 120 to 125(51.7c) degrees. Birds and plain turkeys were found dead, and kangaroos and wallabies were so overcome as to refuse to move, and could be killed without resistance..."
09 Dec 1913 - TERRIFIC HEAT. BIRDS FALL DEAD. A CYCLONE FOLLOW...
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Climate Change is good science, backed by 30 years of peer-reviewed research.
This "science" is robbing medical R&D by years. Lets hope nobody's Mother is put to medical risk by this dumb misappropriation of funding. Funding which may find a cure for cancer in five years, but the climate change fraud must be attended to now despite probably a million years for it to happen.
Another social engineering experiment put up by snake oil salesmen/ women.
In the Climate Change Corner we have:
In the Climate Skeptic corner:
- The Science Faculties of every major university
- CSIRO
- NASA
- Thirty years of scientific research and peer review
- etc etc etc
In the Climate Skeptic corner:
- A bunch of jaded, grumpy old men who think they know more than everyone else and who believe people like Alan Jones
- The paranoid and psychotic who see conspiracies behind every corner
- A disparet bunch of backyard pseudo-science and anecdotes
Last edited by peterc005; 10th Jan 2013 at 12:29.
via peterc005:
In the Climate Change Corner we have:
The Science Faculties of every major university
CSIRO
NASA
Thirty years of scientific research and peer review
etc etc etc
In the Climate Skeptic corner:
A bunch of jaded, grumpy old men who think they know more than everyone else and who believe people like Alan Jones
The paranoid and psychotic who see conspiracies behind every corner
A disparet bunch of backyard pseudo-science and anecdotes
In the Climate Change Corner we have:
The Science Faculties of every major university
CSIRO
NASA
Thirty years of scientific research and peer review
etc etc etc
In the Climate Skeptic corner:
A bunch of jaded, grumpy old men who think they know more than everyone else and who believe people like Alan Jones
The paranoid and psychotic who see conspiracies behind every corner
A disparet bunch of backyard pseudo-science and anecdotes
Here's some heavy hitters...
Joanne Nova - American Geophysical Union – cheat, deceive, steal, “It’s OK”. « JoNova
Jennifer Marohasy - Jennifer Marohasy » Your Temperatures Diddled
Donna Laframboise - This Is Called Cheating (Part 1) « NoFrakkingConsensus
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In the news for 1924...
A HEAT WAVE. BIRDS DROP DEAD. Sydney, January 18.
In Savernake yesterday, the thermometer varied from 112 to 118 in the shade. So excessive was the heat that many birds dropped dead.
19 Jan 1924 - New South Wales. A HEAT WAVE. BIRDS DROP DEAD. S...
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All you've done is post more links to nutter Climate Skeptic web-sites.
It costs $20 to register an internet domain with an official-sounding name and setup a web site to make loud noises about whatever whacko conspiracy theory you have.
Hate to break the bad news, but not every thing you read on the internet is true.
Climate change is solid science, backed by thirty years of peer-reviewed research.
It costs $20 to register an internet domain with an official-sounding name and setup a web site to make loud noises about whatever whacko conspiracy theory you have.
Hate to break the bad news, but not every thing you read on the internet is true.
Climate change is solid science, backed by thirty years of peer-reviewed research.
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Yes Peter, if you want to learn more about the subject, you will have to immerse yourself in material provided by the 'heavy hitters'.
Joanne Nova, (Nova is a stage name
), UWA trained Microbiologist. Who knows what effect Staph Aureus has on Radiative Forcing!? (BTW, if you want to see a different perspective on Nova's "science", check this out...
Joanne Nova « itsnotnova
Donna Laframboise....the Canadian writer, journalist and photographer, who once said that we do not need to act on climate change now, because in the future we will have superior technology.
Climate scientist Peter Gleik posted a review of her book, "The Delinquent Teenager Who Was Mistaken for the World's Top Climate Expert", calling it a "stunning compilation of lies, misrepresentations, and falsehoods about the fundamental science of climate change."
Joanne Nova, (Nova is a stage name
), UWA trained Microbiologist. Who knows what effect Staph Aureus has on Radiative Forcing!? (BTW, if you want to see a different perspective on Nova's "science", check this out...Joanne Nova « itsnotnova
Donna Laframboise....the Canadian writer, journalist and photographer, who once said that we do not need to act on climate change now, because in the future we will have superior technology.
Climate scientist Peter Gleik posted a review of her book, "The Delinquent Teenager Who Was Mistaken for the World's Top Climate Expert", calling it a "stunning compilation of lies, misrepresentations, and falsehoods about the fundamental science of climate change."
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Illiterate further notes that the thermometers of 150 years ago were not cheap items just randomly hung up on back veranda's.
Science is easy, anyone can do it!
The original topic was a dig at a Carbon Tax from Europe, posted in some reason in an ANZ forum.
My observation is that the Carbon Tax in Australia turned out to be a non-event and you hardly hear about it any more.
In the same quarter the Carbon Tax was introduced the CPI actually fell, suggesting the Carbon Tax has had no impact on prices.
To all of the people complaining about the Carbon Tax and predicting that the sky would fall - you were wrong!
My observation is that the Carbon Tax in Australia turned out to be a non-event and you hardly hear about it any more.
In the same quarter the Carbon Tax was introduced the CPI actually fell, suggesting the Carbon Tax has had no impact on prices.
To all of the people complaining about the Carbon Tax and predicting that the sky would fall - you were wrong!
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Peter, you obviously either don't pay your own elect bills, or don't read them...............the carbon tax is having a huge effect.
Personal example:
Home Integral eneregy account 23 July 2012 says, and I quote ' Qld Competition Authority estimates a 2012-2013 carbon price impact on domestic tariff 11 as 2.4c/kWh & economy tariffs 31 & 33 as 2.5 & 2.4 c/kWh'[/COLOR] Unquote.
This forward estimate represents over 10% of my before then rate.
Curious that invoices received after that one do not quantify the carbon tax effect. Gillard originally agreed to the power companies listing the direct carbon tax charge, but later reneged as labour has done on most promises.
This charge is also filtering through to my business as it is to all other Australian businesses.
Another cross for our economy to bear, when the only other economies to implement such stupidity are going down the gurgler.
This tax is slowly filtering through our whole economy, not just elect, which is the obvious target.
To claim it is a non-event is sticking ones head in the sand.
Cheers
Personal example:
Home Integral eneregy account 23 July 2012 says, and I quote ' Qld Competition Authority estimates a 2012-2013 carbon price impact on domestic tariff 11 as 2.4c/kWh & economy tariffs 31 & 33 as 2.5 & 2.4 c/kWh'[/COLOR] Unquote.
This forward estimate represents over 10% of my before then rate.
Curious that invoices received after that one do not quantify the carbon tax effect. Gillard originally agreed to the power companies listing the direct carbon tax charge, but later reneged as labour has done on most promises.
This charge is also filtering through to my business as it is to all other Australian businesses.
Another cross for our economy to bear, when the only other economies to implement such stupidity are going down the gurgler.
This tax is slowly filtering through our whole economy, not just elect, which is the obvious target.
To claim it is a non-event is sticking ones head in the sand.
Cheers
Last edited by CHAIRMAN; 11th Jan 2013 at 11:41.
I pay three different electricity bills and haven't noticed a difference. A couple of bucks either way doesn't matter.
The Carbon Tax was a text book measure to discourage carbon emissions and I think it is good to see the government taking steps to mitigate global warming.
Most of the people moaning about the Carbon Tax seem to have been grumpy old men, nostalgic for the way things were in the 1950s and not able to adapt to the 21st century.
The Carbon Tax was a text book measure to discourage carbon emissions and I think it is good to see the government taking steps to mitigate global warming.
Most of the people moaning about the Carbon Tax seem to have been grumpy old men, nostalgic for the way things were in the 1950s and not able to adapt to the 21st century.
Last edited by peterc005; 11th Jan 2013 at 13:27.
Peterc005's unbiased promotion
A review of Peterc005's comments to date
@ 2 Peter tells us the tax is good
@ 69 Peter tells us the tax is a non event
@ 72Peter tells us smart meters are great
@ 75 Peter brings in the words "climate sceptic conspiracy"
@ 77 Peter tells us "Australia is a modern western-style social democracy"
@ 88 Peter mentions "climate change sceptic nutters" and "conspiracy"
@ 95 Peter again mentions "conspiracy theory nutters"
@ 100 Peter mentions "conspiracy theory nutters"
@ 109 Peter tells us the tax is good
@ 117 Peter mentions "conspiracy theory nutters"
@ 127 Peter tells us the tax is good
@ 146 Peter tels us the tax is good
@ 154 Peter mentions "conspiracy theory nutters"
@ 172 Peter refers to a differing opinion as "delusional humbug"
@ 174 Peter mentions "conspiracy theory nutters"
@ 192 Peter mentions "conspiracy theory rant"
@ 195 Peter mentions "whacko conspiracy theory"
@ 200 Peter mentions "whacko conspiracy theory rant"
@ 206 Peter mentions "conspiracies"
@ 208 Peter mentions "nutter climate sceptic"
@ 211 Peter tells us the tax is good
@ 213 Peter tells us the tax is good and opponents are just grumpy old men
Peter has also failed to answer a single question, or put forward anything meaningful to this thread. This conspiracy theory nutter is beginning to sense a bit of a conspiracy.
@ 2 Peter tells us the tax is good
@ 69 Peter tells us the tax is a non event
@ 72Peter tells us smart meters are great
@ 75 Peter brings in the words "climate sceptic conspiracy"
@ 77 Peter tells us "Australia is a modern western-style social democracy"
@ 88 Peter mentions "climate change sceptic nutters" and "conspiracy"
@ 95 Peter again mentions "conspiracy theory nutters"
@ 100 Peter mentions "conspiracy theory nutters"
@ 109 Peter tells us the tax is good
@ 117 Peter mentions "conspiracy theory nutters"
@ 127 Peter tells us the tax is good
@ 146 Peter tels us the tax is good
@ 154 Peter mentions "conspiracy theory nutters"
@ 172 Peter refers to a differing opinion as "delusional humbug"
@ 174 Peter mentions "conspiracy theory nutters"
@ 192 Peter mentions "conspiracy theory rant"
@ 195 Peter mentions "whacko conspiracy theory"
@ 200 Peter mentions "whacko conspiracy theory rant"
@ 206 Peter mentions "conspiracies"
@ 208 Peter mentions "nutter climate sceptic"
@ 211 Peter tells us the tax is good
@ 213 Peter tells us the tax is good and opponents are just grumpy old men
Peter has also failed to answer a single question, or put forward anything meaningful to this thread. This conspiracy theory nutter is beginning to sense a bit of a conspiracy.
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Yes Peter, if you want to learn more about the subject, you will have to immerse yourself in material provided by the 'heavy hitters'.
Joanne Nova, (Nova is a stage name), UWA trained Microbiologist. Who knows what effect Staph Aureus has on Radiative Forcing!? (BTW, if you want to see a different perspective on Nova's "science", check this out...
Joanne Nova « itsnotnova
Donna Laframboise....the Canadian writer, journalist and photographer, who once said that we do not need to act on climate change now, because in the future we will have superior technology.
Climate scientist Peter Gleik posted a review of her book, "The Delinquent Teenager Who Was Mistaken for the World's Top Climate Expert", calling it a "stunning compilation of lies, misrepresentations, and falsehoods about the fundamental science of climate change."
Yes Peter, if you want to learn more about the subject, you will have to immerse yourself in material provided by the 'heavy hitters'.
Joanne Nova, (Nova is a stage name
), UWA trained Microbiologist. Who knows what effect Staph Aureus has on Radiative Forcing!? (BTW, if you want to see a different perspective on Nova's "science", check this out...Joanne Nova « itsnotnova
Donna Laframboise....the Canadian writer, journalist and photographer, who once said that we do not need to act on climate change now, because in the future we will have superior technology.
Climate scientist Peter Gleik posted a review of her book, "The Delinquent Teenager Who Was Mistaken for the World's Top Climate Expert", calling it a "stunning compilation of lies, misrepresentations, and falsehoods about the fundamental science of climate change."
"Nova is a stage name
"Hmmm... Interesting reaction there Towering Q..
...anyway, Jo Nova has a recent posting about Peter Gleick:
...Gleick’s welcome back to AGU prominence – without serving even the equivalent of a game’s suspension – was pretty startling, given his admitted identity fraud and distribution (and probable fabrication) of a forged document. Last year, then AGU President Mike McPhadren, a colleague of Eric Steig’s at the University of Washington, had stated on behalf of AGU that Gleick had “compromised AGU’s credibility as a scientific society” and that his “transgression cannot be condoned”...
American Geophysical Union – cheat, deceive, steal, “It’s OK”. « JoNova
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By the way Towering Q, how goes yer search for that "Data" and "Evidence". We will be getting some shortly i hope... perhaps our current 'record' heat wave might help yer..
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