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I guess we beat you Aussies in one thing then.. Theres about half a dozen of them flying in NZ as well as several other WW1 types
I guess we beat you Aussies in one thing then.. Theres about half a dozen of them flying in NZ as well as several other WW1 types
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Hi Matty,
quite correct - as far as unique manufacturing of aircraft and engines, owning said things through syndicates and running airshows, nobody beats the Kiwis in my opinion and of course TVAL leads the way.
Nothing like that is here in Australia. In fact we only have one authentic Sopwith Pup flying and now 2 replicas. TAVAS was established to get more people building and flying these types and displaying them to Australian audiences.
Our IT guy just put together some touch and go footage which I include here so you can see just how sedate and stable this Triplane really is.
TAVAS - Fokker Dr.I Circuit Tests - 22nd December 2013 - YouTube
quite correct - as far as unique manufacturing of aircraft and engines, owning said things through syndicates and running airshows, nobody beats the Kiwis in my opinion and of course TVAL leads the way.
Nothing like that is here in Australia. In fact we only have one authentic Sopwith Pup flying and now 2 replicas. TAVAS was established to get more people building and flying these types and displaying them to Australian audiences.
Our IT guy just put together some touch and go footage which I include here so you can see just how sedate and stable this Triplane really is.
TAVAS - Fokker Dr.I Circuit Tests - 22nd December 2013 - YouTube
A very nice You Tube guys.
Andrew, will you always do wheelers or do you intend moving towards three-pointers?
Andrew, will you always do wheelers or do you intend moving towards three-pointers?
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Wheelers
Hi Dora,
Everyone I have spoke to who flies these said that the small rudder is not effective between transitioning from tail down to up and vice versa and that’s why they all wheel it on, keep forward pressure to the last moment and then force the tail down quickly to maintain steering effectiveness at all times.
I saw 7 of these aircraft fly all together at Omaka and on landing every single one of them wheeled it on.
I have seen footage of the great Mikael Carlson 3 point his and he does land very slow – but he does manage to hit each wingtip as well. So I’m going to stick to wheeler landings.
Everyone I have spoke to who flies these said that the small rudder is not effective between transitioning from tail down to up and vice versa and that’s why they all wheel it on, keep forward pressure to the last moment and then force the tail down quickly to maintain steering effectiveness at all times.
I saw 7 of these aircraft fly all together at Omaka and on landing every single one of them wheeled it on.
I have seen footage of the great Mikael Carlson 3 point his and he does land very slow – but he does manage to hit each wingtip as well. So I’m going to stick to wheeler landings.
Oh please, definitely no criticism implied with my question! Thanks for the response.
Wheelers seem really "in" for warbirds, oddly last time I was at Omaka I was quite surprised to see the Fw 190 being three-pointed though.
Cheers Andrew.
Wheelers seem really "in" for warbirds, oddly last time I was at Omaka I was quite surprised to see the Fw 190 being three-pointed though.
Cheers Andrew.
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No criticism taken - it's a fair question. TAVAS aim is to raise awareness of these aircraft and the men who designed them, built them and flew them and of course to raise questions and hopefully answer them.
I'm learning as I go along too, so I can answer the questions as to how and why I do it, but that doesn't always mean that was the how and why it was done back in the day.
Through forums like this and others, I'm expecting other people to share their knowledge and help grow mine in the process. There are some truly amazing people who have dedicated incredible amounts of time and talent to producing extremely accurate replicas and learning all about the period and the people from that experience.
All questions and comments welcome.
I'm learning as I go along too, so I can answer the questions as to how and why I do it, but that doesn't always mean that was the how and why it was done back in the day.
Through forums like this and others, I'm expecting other people to share their knowledge and help grow mine in the process. There are some truly amazing people who have dedicated incredible amounts of time and talent to producing extremely accurate replicas and learning all about the period and the people from that experience.
All questions and comments welcome.
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Hi J3
No this is an accurate build - from the Ron Sands plans. Like the original, it has a welded steel tube fuselage and built up wooden wings with the proper full cantilever wooden spars.
At this stage it has a Lycoming O-320 (150hp) engine fitted to it.
The intention was to fit a Rotary to it (we have two coming) but one of those will be fitted to our E.III Eindekker and one to our D.VIII.
So I may look at fitting a Rotec radial to it at a later stage.
No this is an accurate build - from the Ron Sands plans. Like the original, it has a welded steel tube fuselage and built up wooden wings with the proper full cantilever wooden spars.
At this stage it has a Lycoming O-320 (150hp) engine fitted to it.
The intention was to fit a Rotary to it (we have two coming) but one of those will be fitted to our E.III Eindekker and one to our D.VIII.
So I may look at fitting a Rotec radial to it at a later stage.
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Come and see these aircraft
Just letting you all know that for those of you who will be around S.E. Qld at this time, you are welcome to come along to this -
On Sunday the 26th January, we are holding a seminar at the QVAG building at Watts Bridge, on WW1 aviation builds in Australia - those in our collection and the many others under construction. There will be a complete seminar on building Airdrome Aeroplanes kit aircraft as well.
We have run these several times before and they have been very well received – especially when engineer Dave Walsh talks about the technical issues we have faced with these aircraft and describes the rotary engines in detail (of which we will soon have 2!).
If the weather is kind on the day, I will be flying the Dr.I to Watts Bridge and it will be on display with Bruce's Pup (see picture). This is the only time in Australia in the last 14 years that a Pup and Triplane have been seen together.
Full details at this link -
http://www.qvag.org/pdf/Special%20ev...Jan%202014.pdf
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Hi guys,
just a reminder that this coming Sunday (26th Jan), we will be holding a talk on the TAVAS collection and on building WW1 quick build kits. This is open to anyone who can get to Watts Bridge by 10:30 that morning.
If the weather is fine, I will be flying the only DrI flying in Australia to the event. The other picture is of our Fokker D.VIII, which we will be fitting an original 160 hp Gnome Rotary engine to (this pic shows it with a Rotec radial fitted).
An engineer will be giving a talk on rotary engines (as we have 2 of them coming this year) and other aspects of working on our 100% accurate reproductions.
Then a member of Watts Bridge airfield will show people his Sopwith Pup and Nieuport 24 aircraft built from the Airdrome Aeroplanes kits and answer any questions about that style of building.
I hope to see many of you there. For full details click on this link -
http://www.qvag.org/pdf/Special%20ev...Jan%202014.pdf
just a reminder that this coming Sunday (26th Jan), we will be holding a talk on the TAVAS collection and on building WW1 quick build kits. This is open to anyone who can get to Watts Bridge by 10:30 that morning.
If the weather is fine, I will be flying the only DrI flying in Australia to the event. The other picture is of our Fokker D.VIII, which we will be fitting an original 160 hp Gnome Rotary engine to (this pic shows it with a Rotec radial fitted).
An engineer will be giving a talk on rotary engines (as we have 2 of them coming this year) and other aspects of working on our 100% accurate reproductions.
Then a member of Watts Bridge airfield will show people his Sopwith Pup and Nieuport 24 aircraft built from the Airdrome Aeroplanes kits and answer any questions about that style of building.
I hope to see many of you there. For full details click on this link -
http://www.qvag.org/pdf/Special%20ev...Jan%202014.pdf
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Unique aircraft for Oz
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just letting you know we have an incredible opportunity to get the only full size reproduction of a 1909 designed Johnson Monoplane. We desperately need you help to get it here.
More details on it and the offer here - Package and Post a Vintage Aircraft | Indiegogo
Please help and forward this to everyone you can.
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