Your thoughts on dodgy logging of instrument flight time.
If I fly a fair dinkum approach but in VMC I'll log a small amount 0.2 or so dependant upon the length of time I am flying the dials only.
RENURPP - your post is deeply offensive!
"Folk hero" status cannot be achieved by flying just any old Bonanza - it has to be a V-tail !
Dr
"Folk hero" status cannot be achieved by flying just any old Bonanza - it has to be a V-tail !
Dr
Last edited by ForkTailedDrKiller; 6th Jul 2012 at 22:52.
Centaurus there is no cheating involved. Flight by sole reference to instruments is instrument flight when flying in multi crew or with a safety pilot - even in VMC (day or night), as there is no legal requirement to restrict external vision (foggles, covered screen etc) - even during a test. I was admonished many years ago by a CASA FOI when I put forward a point of view similar to your one there whilst I was undergoing a Chief Pilot assessment flight test... Their rules, not mine.
On a side note, have always enjoyed your contributions.
Regards,
OpsN.
On a side note, have always enjoyed your contributions.
Regards,
OpsN.
All depends on where you're based.
Here in Oz the regs talk "flight solely by reference to instruments" so that means IMC (and not night VFR, though I agree that some nights you might as well be IMC) and it's typically 0.1 or 0.2 climbing through the clouds, though sometime you can arrange to cruise in cloud
In Europe now and Asia, they refer to IFR time - flight under IFR procedures, which is the whole lot.
Personally, I keep two columns - the real "instrument time", and then use one of the spare columns for IFR time - which is much more than IMC time.
Here in Oz the regs talk "flight solely by reference to instruments" so that means IMC (and not night VFR, though I agree that some nights you might as well be IMC) and it's typically 0.1 or 0.2 climbing through the clouds, though sometime you can arrange to cruise in cloud
In Europe now and Asia, they refer to IFR time - flight under IFR procedures, which is the whole lot.
Personally, I keep two columns - the real "instrument time", and then use one of the spare columns for IFR time - which is much more than IMC time.
The other night I was out west of Hay, night vfr, 9500, high above a layer of stratus. No lights could be seen, no horizon, no ground lights, no stars, nothing. Total blackness. Does this qualify as IMC.
My airline seems to be a standard entry of 30mins per sector/ 1hr if WX crappy. This is only to cover 3hrs/90days.
25+ years of it gives me about 850hrs. If you wanted me to count all "IMC" time then it would be probably 5000-10000hrs!
I do mainly 5-10 hr sectors so with A/P generally coming on at about 5000' once clean and off again at about 1000' on final once cleared to land then the "hand-flying" hours would never meet the 3/90 requirement.
[only every second sector as I give the F/O some too!]
I now fly Airbus so am never "really" hand-flying.
25+ years of it gives me about 850hrs. If you wanted me to count all "IMC" time then it would be probably 5000-10000hrs!
I do mainly 5-10 hr sectors so with A/P generally coming on at about 5000' once clean and off again at about 1000' on final once cleared to land then the "hand-flying" hours would never meet the 3/90 requirement.
[only every second sector as I give the F/O some too!]
I now fly Airbus so am never "really" hand-flying.
Last edited by Tankengine; 7th Jul 2012 at 03:18.
CAO 40 doesnt help much either;
"10.9 Instrument flight time may be logged by the pilot monitoring or providing input to the autopilot/auto-stabilisation equipment when it is engaged or by the pilot manually manipulating the controls when the aircraft is flown by reference to instruments under either actual or simulated instrument flight conditions."
At high altitude, with no discernable horizon (day or night) and not navigiating by sole reference to a visible horizon or to ground or water (ie; you are not flying visually) what are you doing?
Flying (or monitoring the autopilot flying) by reference to the instruments.
"10.9 Instrument flight time may be logged by the pilot monitoring or providing input to the autopilot/auto-stabilisation equipment when it is engaged or by the pilot manually manipulating the controls when the aircraft is flown by reference to instruments under either actual or simulated instrument flight conditions."
At high altitude, with no discernable horizon (day or night) and not navigiating by sole reference to a visible horizon or to ground or water (ie; you are not flying visually) what are you doing?
Flying (or monitoring the autopilot flying) by reference to the instruments.
following on from ramble on's post
I reckon that when technically VFR by day in terms of horizontal visibility etc, but with no horizon, just a small patch of ocean/dirt below, and a small patch of sky blue somewhere above, this is actually IMC.
I reckon that when technically VFR by day in terms of horizontal visibility etc, but with no horizon, just a small patch of ocean/dirt below, and a small patch of sky blue somewhere above, this is actually IMC.
Flight by sole reference to instruments is instrument flight when flying in multi crew or with a safety pilot - even in VMC (day or night), as there is no legal requirement to restrict external vision (foggles, covered screen etc) - even during a test
Does that also mean anyone can simply look at his instruments and promise not to peek outside and legally log instrument flying?
I concur with the bloke near Hay.
Was surveying out the back of Telfer the other night (before the moon rose)
and I can tell you was near impossible to keep the wings level without reference to instruments.
Once the moon rose and I had a horizon obviously this was then visual.
Anyway, if you can't keep it level without the a h then it is I f. If you can then it is not.
Was surveying out the back of Telfer the other night (before the moon rose)
and I can tell you was near impossible to keep the wings level without reference to instruments.
Once the moon rose and I had a horizon obviously this was then visual.
Anyway, if you can't keep it level without the a h then it is I f. If you can then it is not.
