Warning - That Kool Video = Loss Of Licence.
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RA-Aus can now legally go over 5000 ft even if not required due to terrain, which was the prior arrangement.
I haven't fully perused the said website however this aircraft could potentially be registered through the HGFA and therefore different rules may apply.
I haven't fully perused the said website however this aircraft could potentially be registered through the HGFA and therefore different rules may apply.
2 minutes on google will give you all the info you need, the aircraft is registered with the HGFA, the PIC is also a CFI of the microlight school at exmouth. If you have a look at the gallery for the website listed in the video, you will also see some interesting pictures with regards to distance to clouds and low flying.
Furthermore, if you were all indeed worried about the conduct of the pilot, you should have already been in contact with the HGFA's Operations Manager, his contact details are clearly available on the HGFA's website. That is what I did and they are investigating the matter.
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p.s. fyi, Hang Gliders are approved to 10,000ft OCTA
Furthermore, if you were all indeed worried about the conduct of the pilot, you should have already been in contact with the HGFA's Operations Manager, his contact details are clearly available on the HGFA's website. That is what I did and they are investigating the matter.
j3
p.s. fyi, Hang Gliders are approved to 10,000ft OCTA
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j3- how dare you actually do some research, find facts and act upon your concerns in the real world- this website is for rumours, mud slinging, arm chair flying and general criticism...
That is what I did and they are investigating the matter.
Hey Bob, when and where are you flying next? Just so I know to stay right away from the area..... 
Thanks Aussie Bob,
If I am un-Australian because I give a damn about the other pilots I share the sky with, the students this guy will teach and the passengers he will take flying, then I can live with that.
My flying is very average, my last cyclic confirmed that! However I still remember what the Testing Officer who did my CPL test "Son, the rules are written in the blood of those who have gone before you".
With regard to your 'special' comment, no I don't dob to feel special, I pay strippers to feel special.
j3
how distinctly un Australian, dobbing in to the authorities.
I guess your flying is always perfect.
Hope it made you feel special Mr. Wannabe cub pilot.
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Oh dear, how distinctly un Australian, dobbing in to the authorities.
This is not a thread....
... its an unravelling wheat bag..Hang gliders trikes, IFR, clouds even.???
Meanwhile the helicopter pilot lost his CPL and his ability to earn a living, because some "experts" in the AAT agree with the "CASA must be satisfied" and "not a fit and proper person" line.
So from a video clip taken by a phoney wakner passenger, pulling Gs he said, (pulling something else in reality) in a Robbo deemed to be too low, or too steep a turn... and Robinson the manufacturer sees no problem at all, CASA has a retributive win, having lost in court before.
Interesting to note the CASA "experts" had so litle helicopter flying time, they wouldnt even get a job in the industry.
If like thinking continues the low level use of heli-mustering will have to cease because its just all too dangerous.
Its yet another case of the anally retentive punitive approach to "safety" so beloved by the regulator.
The pilot will move on, but not in this aviation industry under the current Soviet.
ps: stay away from clouds.
Meanwhile the helicopter pilot lost his CPL and his ability to earn a living, because some "experts" in the AAT agree with the "CASA must be satisfied" and "not a fit and proper person" line.
So from a video clip taken by a phoney wakner passenger, pulling Gs he said, (pulling something else in reality) in a Robbo deemed to be too low, or too steep a turn... and Robinson the manufacturer sees no problem at all, CASA has a retributive win, having lost in court before.
Interesting to note the CASA "experts" had so litle helicopter flying time, they wouldnt even get a job in the industry.
If like thinking continues the low level use of heli-mustering will have to cease because its just all too dangerous.
Its yet another case of the anally retentive punitive approach to "safety" so beloved by the regulator.
The pilot will move on, but not in this aviation industry under the current Soviet.
ps: stay away from clouds.
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Aroa,
as much as I agree with you, i also disagree.
This guy clearly crossed some boundaries. He clearly operated outside of the AFM/POH and some recourse is appropriate. Pulling his ticket?? i'd say no. A fine and some retraining i'd agree with.
we spend the price of a house on our tickets (depends where you are buying) even more so for helo jocks (unless ex-military) and to have the 'regulator' pull your ticket in this way is crap, they are taking away your right to earn a living.
Think about the fit and proper person legislation. You could accidently bust CTA, do the right thing and own up when centre calls, and uner this legislation lose your ticket....how fair is that?
if you wanna push it that far, then the cops can take your car licence for being 1kph over the limit, as you are not a fit and proper person. And that ladies is what we are talking about, as thats how they got this guy.
Reading the regs as they are, there is no room for, i f*cked up and made a mistake, its all sun or gloom.
Cheers
Jas
as much as I agree with you, i also disagree.
This guy clearly crossed some boundaries. He clearly operated outside of the AFM/POH and some recourse is appropriate. Pulling his ticket?? i'd say no. A fine and some retraining i'd agree with.
we spend the price of a house on our tickets (depends where you are buying) even more so for helo jocks (unless ex-military) and to have the 'regulator' pull your ticket in this way is crap, they are taking away your right to earn a living.
Think about the fit and proper person legislation. You could accidently bust CTA, do the right thing and own up when centre calls, and uner this legislation lose your ticket....how fair is that?
if you wanna push it that far, then the cops can take your car licence for being 1kph over the limit, as you are not a fit and proper person. And that ladies is what we are talking about, as thats how they got this guy.
Reading the regs as they are, there is no room for, i f*cked up and made a mistake, its all sun or gloom.
Cheers
Jas
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The guy states that the flight went to 10,000 feet and I assume that that is legal. The clouds look like they are are ound 3000 feet or lower. The VFR at this altitude is clear of cloud and in sight of the ground (assuming class G). Look carefully at the clouds on take off. Are these towering to 10,000?
I guess all this boils down to is the rift between GA and RAA. Here we have the ancient tin drivers from a dying industry, jealous of the modern breed of aviators who have the new machinery, the young clientelle and the fun.
You sprout forth inanities like "keep clear of cloud" when the rules permit "clear of cloud ops". Here in the real world VFR pilots fly "fin in the clouds" regularly but when some guy in a trike does it for fun you are outraged. Outraged enough to turn into judge, jury and executioner. Outraged enough to dob in a mate.
What you fail to see is a bloke having fun in some inversion limited Cu that in all liklihood is below 3000 feet. Look at the take off, note the wide angle lense. Hopefully the end result of dobbing this guy in will be someone with nouse looking at it and realising that the complaint is nothing more than hot wind from a safety vest wearing nobody in GA.
Real pilots respect all who fly and I note when I travel that it is the RAA pilot who is the first to offer me a lift into town, lend me tools, have a drink with me, invite me to his house, and its the RAA folk who are often the most interesting to talk to.
You mob should olso note: Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obeyance of fools.
You sprout forth inanities like "keep clear of cloud" when the rules permit "clear of cloud ops". Here in the real world VFR pilots fly "fin in the clouds" regularly but when some guy in a trike does it for fun you are outraged. Outraged enough to turn into judge, jury and executioner. Outraged enough to dob in a mate.
What you fail to see is a bloke having fun in some inversion limited Cu that in all liklihood is below 3000 feet. Look at the take off, note the wide angle lense. Hopefully the end result of dobbing this guy in will be someone with nouse looking at it and realising that the complaint is nothing more than hot wind from a safety vest wearing nobody in GA.
Real pilots respect all who fly and I note when I travel that it is the RAA pilot who is the first to offer me a lift into town, lend me tools, have a drink with me, invite me to his house, and its the RAA folk who are often the most interesting to talk to.
You mob should olso note: Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obeyance of fools.
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I guess all this boils down to is the rift between GA and RAA.
Here in the real world VFR pilots fly "fin in the clouds" regularly
Clouds below 3000'? My eyes are wide angle too and and I know very well what 3000' clouds look like from the ground, seeing them above the 2000' hills all the time.
If this was all below 3,000' and he did not break any rules, I guess they guy would have said so instead of pulling his video off the net.
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This discussion, pilot, etc have NOTHING to do with the RAA.
The aircraft is registered under HGFA - The Hang Gliding Federation of Australia. Different rules, different registration.
Question for the smart ones here: Do you think that this kind of flying "clear of cloud" in the video shown is ok, as long as you are below 3,000ft? (rules and regulations aside), as in right next to the cloud with a wing almost in it, regardless of aircraft type? Can't someone else still smack straight into you?
The aircraft is registered under HGFA - The Hang Gliding Federation of Australia. Different rules, different registration.
Question for the smart ones here: Do you think that this kind of flying "clear of cloud" in the video shown is ok, as long as you are below 3,000ft? (rules and regulations aside), as in right next to the cloud with a wing almost in it, regardless of aircraft type? Can't someone else still smack straight into you?
Aussie,
I also have an RAA ticket along with my ATPL, argument invalid. I do wear a high vis vest, all major airports and companies tend to make sure of it to reduce their liability in the event of an accident invloving baggage/freight tugs and people. And yes, I may very well be a nobody in GA, however I'm proud of my hot air. I have used the CAIR system and 225'd GA guys as well as RAA. I make no distinction between registrations if somebody is being dangerous.
The entire reason I report people is not to feel powerful, it is so I can sleep at night. If I say nothing, the offender continues unchecked and perhaps even spirals into more dangerous behaviours, resulting in injury or death. On the other hand, if an individual is reported, even if all that happens is a talking to, it may arrest the dangerous risk taking behaviour. I have sat back an said nothing in the past and it resulted in the death of a pilot. It isn't a nice feeling.
Also Aussie,
I've just figured you out. Your '25 years' of aviation has been spent in Aero Club bars as a 500 hour PPL wonder. Perhaps the CFI gave you a CPL safe in the knowledge you'll never use it, apart from bragging rights at said bars. You tell war stories about fly-aways, think that 15 knots of crosswind is huge and have never flown anything bigger than the amount of fuel I carry as tempo fuel (about 900kg). The Instructors think you are a hazard but anyone with less than about 30 hours thinks you're a hero (that is until they ge more than 30 hours).
You forgot what the first 'P' in the website name stands for. Think you should be contributing to the forum below
Recreational Flying Forums
j3
I also have an RAA ticket along with my ATPL, argument invalid. I do wear a high vis vest, all major airports and companies tend to make sure of it to reduce their liability in the event of an accident invloving baggage/freight tugs and people. And yes, I may very well be a nobody in GA, however I'm proud of my hot air. I have used the CAIR system and 225'd GA guys as well as RAA. I make no distinction between registrations if somebody is being dangerous.
The entire reason I report people is not to feel powerful, it is so I can sleep at night. If I say nothing, the offender continues unchecked and perhaps even spirals into more dangerous behaviours, resulting in injury or death. On the other hand, if an individual is reported, even if all that happens is a talking to, it may arrest the dangerous risk taking behaviour. I have sat back an said nothing in the past and it resulted in the death of a pilot. It isn't a nice feeling.
Also Aussie,
I've just figured you out. Your '25 years' of aviation has been spent in Aero Club bars as a 500 hour PPL wonder. Perhaps the CFI gave you a CPL safe in the knowledge you'll never use it, apart from bragging rights at said bars. You tell war stories about fly-aways, think that 15 knots of crosswind is huge and have never flown anything bigger than the amount of fuel I carry as tempo fuel (about 900kg). The Instructors think you are a hazard but anyone with less than about 30 hours thinks you're a hero (that is until they ge more than 30 hours).
You forgot what the first 'P' in the website name stands for. Think you should be contributing to the forum below
Recreational Flying Forums
j3
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FWIW, and I'm not condoning illegal behaviour, the location in this instance is relevant.
The video seems to suggest the pilot is operating well north of Learmonth. If this is the case, then IFR flights on descent shouldn't be an issue. Any IFR flights arriving into Learmonth from Karratha or Onslow will be crossing the Exmouth Gulf well away from the "cloud surfing" activities.
Oh dear....
The video seems to suggest the pilot is operating well north of Learmonth. If this is the case, then IFR flights on descent shouldn't be an issue. Any IFR flights arriving into Learmonth from Karratha or Onslow will be crossing the Exmouth Gulf well away from the "cloud surfing" activities.
have never flown anything bigger than the amount of fuel I carry as tempo fuel (about 900kg).
Do you think that this kind of flying "clear of cloud" in the video shown is ok, as long as you are below 3,000ft? (rules and regulations aside), as in right next to the cloud with a wing almost in it, regardless of aircraft type? Can't someone else still smack straight into you?
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so before dobbing him in, i take it you have acertained he has no transponder, or hasnt used the radio correctly and told others of his whereabouts, is close to IFR waypoints/approaches etc. as said before, fin in the clouds is still legal below set altitudes.
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I assume the clear of cloud below 3,000ft reg only exists so you aren't expected to keep 1,000ft below it down low and as such putting yourself unnecessarily close to terrain. When you think about it, being "clear" of cloud by 5 metres is just as unsafe as being clear of cloud by 5 metres at 10,000 ft so the same rigours should apply.
To suggest that IFR flights won't be arriving into Exmouth from a certain direction is utterly ridiculous.
J3- that forum is pretty much dead now. 90% of the active users left there last week after the operator kicked off / banned a number of the regular contributors. Thousands of posts have been deleted and at the moment there are around 3 or 4 regular posters. Some would say Karma. He is reportedly kindly trying to invite them all back again
Any IFR flights arriving into Learmonth from Karratha or Onslow will be crossing the Exmouth Gulf well away from the "cloud surfing" activities.
J3- that forum is pretty much dead now. 90% of the active users left there last week after the operator kicked off / banned a number of the regular contributors. Thousands of posts have been deleted and at the moment there are around 3 or 4 regular posters. Some would say Karma. He is reportedly kindly trying to invite them all back again