Pilots a little too involved in the Festival
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I Simply did not see it.
Obviously this guy did not really look at what obstructions of a temporary nature had been erected in proximity to the airstrip. The ferris wheel, it seems, may have been erected within the splay. However if the accident pilot had conducted even a cursory over-fly of the field he should have noted the ferris wheel. If, as I understand, the aircraft made a "touch & go" at Old Bar, using 17, he probably just allowed the aircraft to drift off centre-line and into collision with the ferris wheel. Old Bar airfield has been in use for 80 years and has a relatively accident free history. One can only hope that this event will not lead to cries for it to be closed. I look forward to getting home and getting the real story.
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Exactly why I mentioned inertia. When I transitioned from a Pawnee to a R1340 AirTractor, the only handling comment was 'Watch out for
the inertia letting down into the treatment area'. It was 2 tonne heavier and the initial learning curve was high. I find it hard to believe that part of the risk mitigation for RAA is low weight so it doesn't do much damage when it hits something. That's tantamount to saying the operators are incapable of handling heavier machines. Crap! How many have flown a
Drifter when the noise stops. First reaction forma
GA pilot is to look for the problem rather than stuff the stick into the dash to keep it flying. Weight means nothing. Airmanship is everything. From what I can see, that basic aviatory requirement was missing from this incident.
the inertia letting down into the treatment area'. It was 2 tonne heavier and the initial learning curve was high. I find it hard to believe that part of the risk mitigation for RAA is low weight so it doesn't do much damage when it hits something. That's tantamount to saying the operators are incapable of handling heavier machines. Crap! How many have flown a
Drifter when the noise stops. First reaction forma
GA pilot is to look for the problem rather than stuff the stick into the dash to keep it flying. Weight means nothing. Airmanship is everything. From what I can see, that basic aviatory requirement was missing from this incident.
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Grow Up!
HSA, you clearly have no idea what I was inferring. I fly both LSA and GA up to 16000 lb auw. I've been at it for 29 yrs and some thousands of hours, so don't tell me to wake up. I don't know everything, I learn everytime I fly. What I know is, the RAA pilot is equally well trained as GA. The aircraft are as capable. It's down to the pilot (rocket surgeon) to sort out the air from the ferris wheel, as it were
OA
HSA, you clearly have no idea what I was inferring. I fly both LSA and GA up to 16000 lb auw. I've been at it for 29 yrs and some thousands of hours, so don't tell me to wake up. I don't know everything, I learn everytime I fly. What I know is, the RAA pilot is equally well trained as GA. The aircraft are as capable. It's down to the pilot (rocket surgeon) to sort out the air from the ferris wheel, as it were
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From the insurance claim form...
"having cleared the fence at the end of the runway, I then accidentally ran into a Ferris wheel that wasn't there last time I had flown from Old Bar."
The picture reminded me of a fly stuck in a cobweb.
"having cleared the fence at the end of the runway, I then accidentally ran into a Ferris wheel that wasn't there last time I had flown from Old Bar."
The picture reminded me of a fly stuck in a cobweb.
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The pilot said he was going around and with the nose up attitude, did not see the wheel but I would think you would see something different at the end of the runway as you come into the circuit area? A witness said he was not gaining height and thought something might be wrong and he was going around to the left. Perhaps he is a bit solid and always has trouble gaining height? Have you noticed the light pylons on the soccer field? You can't go around and ease to the right of the runway as you normally would.
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I think most are missing the point here. It's not so much about inertia, weight limit etc although being a 'light' A/C meant less damage as the end result (good Eg of less inertia being helpful was the Ted Rudge DH104 that crashed Sth of EN some years ago into someones backyard, all survived & that was a 4 tonne plane that had a stall speed of 65 kts, A PA31 would have had a diff outcome I reckon) it's more about what led this obviously qualified pilot regardless of his rating end up in this sticky situation? We ALL make mistakes that's human but lets learn from this event without belting each other over the head with a big 'I know better' stick!
As I mentioned in my earlier post the guy obviously didn't see the wheel most likely due a high nose attitude but remove the wheel from the picture here & the A/c would have still been very low over a populated area (the Fair).
All safe that's the main thing
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As I mentioned in my earlier post the guy obviously didn't see the wheel most likely due a high nose attitude but remove the wheel from the picture here & the A/c would have still been very low over a populated area (the Fair).
All safe that's the main thing
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Regardless of certificate or licence, plain and simple the pilot is a d-ickhead. Lucky not to have killed himself, his passenger and multiple children and or adults. The kids on the wheel would be absolutely terrified and potentially mentally scarred for life. If the runway was closed or not there is simply no excuse for crashing into a public event, end of story.
This reminds me of the tool that hit the powerline when flying low over the public gathering at Benambra in Ben Buckley territory in his Gazelle. Heard be lost the aircraft, his job, injured his brother in law, may be being sued on multiple fronts and is potentially facing 2 years jail from CASA action.
This reminds me of the tool that hit the powerline when flying low over the public gathering at Benambra in Ben Buckley territory in his Gazelle. Heard be lost the aircraft, his job, injured his brother in law, may be being sued on multiple fronts and is potentially facing 2 years jail from CASA action.
Im still wondering if the reason he was so low is there was a downwind component. I dont have weather for that strip but the main Taree strip was forecasting NW'ly wind (340/10kt) for yesterday morning and seems too early for a seabreeze to kick in. Anyone got any more accurate weather for 10am there?
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I haven't been dropping in to this forum for a while as i am continually dissapointed by the ratbag comments that most of you armchair experts spit out.
After arriving home this morning and hearing about this i just had to drop over just to see what you lot have been spewing forth. No dissapointment there.
XXX ... you couldn't wait to get your facts about the incident correct before lashing out could you? but then that's par for the course for you.
Most of the rest of you where pretty close on his tail.
useless bunch of dropkicks.
fencehopper
After arriving home this morning and hearing about this i just had to drop over just to see what you lot have been spewing forth. No dissapointment there.
XXX ... you couldn't wait to get your facts about the incident correct before lashing out could you? but then that's par for the course for you.
Most of the rest of you where pretty close on his tail.
useless bunch of dropkicks.
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One thing is for sure if it had been a GA aircraft I bet there'd be no mud slinging of GA pilots from the RAAus fraternity, most likely because they'd be out flying instead of just talking about it.