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Old 1st Oct 2011, 00:21
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The two great myths are Abbott as extremist and Abbott as ideologue
The question to be asked Cooda is "Are they myths or an accurate assessment".

Costello seems to be worried and if he is then you would have to say a number of others in the Liberal party as well.
Tony Abbott has wavered when asked about industrial relations policy and now seems to raising the ire of Costello regarding individual work contracts.

Or is Tony Abbott simply doing what he has always done and that is see which way the wind is blowing to maximise himself in the polls.He is not known as the political weather vane without good reason.

This doesn't change his basic beliefs and that is a concern to anyone who looks beyond the usual rubbish about the birthday of Julia Gillard or any other irrelevant political trivia.
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You make some good points, Lex.

so that would mean that the Libs could win with even Tony Abbott at the helm and for me that is a very chilling and unnerving prospect
I've never had much time for Peter Reith, but after that Liberal Presidency debacle, I almost felt sorry for him. If that's the way Tony Abbott treats one of his own, what does it say about his character and his suitability to lead this country?

More light needs to be shone on this guy before he romps it in under the "vote for me...I'm not Labor" banner.
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Old 1st Oct 2011, 04:07
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The question for you is whether you consider Paul Kelly to be of independent mind. Those are his views.

I have not met either Abbott or Gillard and must base my perceptions on what I have seen of their performances in front of the camera and, on one occasion, from the public gallery during question time.

I am not impressed by Abbott as a potential leader of my country. He slips up too often and seems easily caught off guard on matters he should have clear views on.

However, he appears a paragon among international statesmen when compared to the duplicitous, spin merchants who have claimed power for the moment.

If I can't believe Ms Gillard when (on those rare occasions when she is not obfuscating) she says things like

"we will get consensus on tackling climate change before acting"
"the science is in"
"there will be no carbon tax....."
"dismantling the Pacific Solution is a humane and effective policy"
"the Prime Minister has my full support"

why should I take, at face value, anything she says about her opposition?

As I (and others here) have said before, the Libs worry me, labor/greens incense me and I still want to vote "none of the above" come the next election.

But please don't continue to insult my intelligence by parroting labor's anti-Abbott rhetoric. It is clumsy in its transparency and only serves to remind us that Abbott has labor worried. (And if someone like Abbott has them worried, how bad are they?)
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Some deflect criticism by attempting to change the focus to the opposition. The thing is it's not about Gillard and Abbott, it's about The Liberal/ National vs the Labor Greens amalgamations.

If anyone thinks having a massive Conservative Government swing is good, think about Howard's demise and why people just got sick of his arrogance. Change did not happen for the better.

If an election got rid of some deadwood and The freaking Greens, the next election may bring about a balanced Government.

Not the arrogant and illigitimate $hitfight we have now.

As a postscript, why do some of you morons persist in defending the indefensible?
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As has been previously said - Genghis Khan with one leg and one eye would be better than the shower of schiessen at the top for the moment.

More light needs to be shone on this guy before he romps it in under the "vote for me...I'm not Labor" banner.
Face up to it boys - your lot are a dead duck and there will be a Coalition Government in charge in the not too distant future no matter how much you parrot the party line. Hopefully they will have enough tools and people to get us out of the terminal mess that Krudd and Jooliar have got us into. So....suck it up and get used to the idea.
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It's pretty clear that the Labor/Green Machine are scared witless by Abbott. If they weren't, they wouldn't be screaming so loudly. I see the Left's latest effort to demonise Abbott has been released this week - 'Tony Abbott: A Man's Man' (which, [being a man's man], in FemnoLeftieSpeak, is a huge insult.)
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Perhaps the usual suspects should reflect on why " vote for me - I'm not labor" is likely to be a successful call at the next election.

Hint - It's got bugger all to do with Tony Abbott.
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From Jetblast, a late starter for the Ig Nobel prizes;

Political Prize: Oz PM Julia Gillard for proving that Socialism and Global Wealth Redistribution works well so long as other people's borrowed money doesn't run out.
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there will be a Coalition Government in charge in the not too distant future
...and good luck getting anything through the Senate.
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Anybody who believes Abbott wouldn't go for a double dissolution as soon as he got the power is unhinged.

Perhaps your camisole is too tight?
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Perhaps you need to learn more about the Double Dissolution process.
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Three bills rejected by either house can trigger a double dissolution.

If the Parliament is not capable of governing, that is a trigger.

With-holding supply can, and has, triggered a double dissolution of parliament.

When, listening to Gillard and Brown rabbit on, is worse than 24 hours of AB Circle Pro advertising, that should also trigger a double dissolution or a civil war at least.

I don't want to play with you any more, you are so tiresome.
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I don't want to play with you any more, you are so tiresome.
That seems his intention, Frank.

Labor makes an art form out of distraction and disembling.

Note we rarely talk about the underlying issues that are bubbling away.

Control of the internet (NBN)

Control of the media (Current enquiry)

Offshore wealth redistribution (Carbon Trading, Refugee Trading, Foreign Aid to Africa)

Overbearing government control through regulation and taxation etc

The environment
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Re my post #368:

Polemic on Tony Abbott lacks substance and logic | The Australian

SUSAN Mitchell's so-called polemic on Tony Abbott, Tony Abbott: A Man's Man, betrays her ideological elitist left-wing bent with what can only be described as a poorly researched, one-sided work with little credibility.

Mitchell writes in detail about Abbott as a way to demonise him rather than to paint an accurate picture of his ideological perspective on the world -- and all without the courtesy of interviewing him.

It is these types of thin analyses that do more to harm the reputation of academics than almost anything else.
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It is very instructive how the government, and their supporters, concentrate on Tony Abbott rather than attempting to 'sell' their message. It says something about the horrendous mess that the ALP is now in.

One thing is for sure - they are worried; very worried. Don't forget that it was Tony Abbott who saw off Krudd. For all their demonizing they just know that Abbott is winning hands down every waking day.

It's past time Jooliar. Give it up while you've still got some dignity left, before the gamble on pokies (now isn't that a delicious irony?) destroys you and your mob of sycophants entirely.
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while you've still got some dignity left
Some would say that particular boat left the dock quite some time ago siseman.

If it was ever there, for many, it went when the 'hyperbowl' and the 'high dungeon' gaffes went virtually unreported by overly compliant MSM.
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As much as I would like to see this current mob of incompetents put to the sword, I am concerned about a massive swing that would be a great temptation for an incoming government to become prematurely arrogant.

Although no doubt they could be better trusted than Gillard, Swan and Co.

The current leadership, The Greens, and a couple of clowns looking for their five minuites of fame need excising as a priority.

This could be accomplished by Labor with a change of Leader.

(I said could).
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New arrival belies people swap: opposition

A boat believed to have 70 asylum seekers on board was intercepted on Saturday morning.

It was the second boat to arrive in Australian waters this week.

Since the Malaysia deal was signed in July, 728 people and 24 crew have been picked up and taken to Christmas Island for processing.


"Ten boats have now turned up in just 10 weeks, highlighting just how easily people smugglers can overwhelm this flawed and failed Malaysian arrangement," opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison said in a statement after the latest arrival.

He cited immigration department evidence to a Senate inquiry into the Malaysian deal, that the cap of 800 people to send overseas represented eight to 10 boat arrivals.
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This came across my desk today. Thought I should pass it on as I was asked to do so. (I think the dates are in order, but couldn't be bothered checking).

On the 18th of August 1966 at Long Tan,Vietnam,

D Company of the 6th Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment,


mainly made up of Australian National Servicemen

and at that time located to support the American Army,

fought a battle against the Viet Cong.

In this action D Company lost 18 men killed and 24 injured.

The Viet Cong dead numbered in excess of 245.

The Australian lines were never crossed.

The Viet Cong withdrew.

American President Johnson and US Army Staff recognised the achievement

by awarding the Unit Citation of Gallantry on 30th May 1968.

The Award was formally accepted by Queen Elizabeth in 13th June 1968.

Prime Minister John Gorton made the formal presentation

of this American Citation to the Battalion

at Lavarack Barracks,Townsville on 18th August 1968.



On the 31st of March 2010,

D Company of the 6th Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment

were belatedly awarded the Australian version of

"Unit Citation for Gallantry" (UCG)

honouring their extraordinary deeds at Long Tan.

The Government however refused to approve travel payment

for the surviving Unit Members or their families,


including the families of deceased Unit Members,

in order that they be present at the

UCG Presentation Ceremony

presided over by the Governor General of Australia.


In February 2011 the same Government of Australia

footed the Funeral Bill to bury the illegal boat people,

who tragically perished on Christmas Island.

This included flying surviving family illegals and survivors

to and from Sydney and Xmas Island,

accommodating them, etc etc,

plus a Coach tour of Sydney thrown in.

The Canberra Politburo had waited 45 years

to publicly acknowledge the bravery and sacrifice

of these Sons of Australia

and then immediately **** on their memory

by wetting themselves to appease the feelings of boat illegals forcing entry into our country.


Now we witness,what can only be described as, attempted political face saving,

by this same Government, sponsoring a TV Documentary,

to celebrate our Armed Forces accomplishments at Kapyong, Korea in 1951.

This will see our Prime Minister and the entire Priministeral Entourage

fly in a RAAF plane to Korea to mark this 60th Anniversary.


What Bloody Hypocrisy!!!

What a Blatant Affront to the feelings

of our Nation's serving Armed Forces,

Past and Present.

Shame,Shame,Shame,

You Political Parasites.

You do not deserve to represent our country.
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@Frank


Lest we forget.
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