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TrevorDal,
We think alike but it must be remembered that the Federation (as well as all the others) is a Union of and for Members.
Low union membership yields little union power. No truer words can be spoken than to say that no union can afford to fight for the rights of a base which does not itself support the union by means of membership. That's the very idea.
Unions do not set the safety net (the Award is the bare minimum, not the standard).
On the contrary; provided the complaint is just and accurate then, in the unlikely event that the pilot does get a name for themselves, such a name will resound more positively with any operator worth their salt and certainly with the profession.
Of course, this is unfortunately very hard to see when you have 200 hours in your logbook and everybody is telling you to not make waves.
The big big big problem is the 'just gotta get through GA alive' syndrome followed by the lack of unity in close second.
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PS, for $400 a year ($34 per month) even a struggling pilot on $40K can make it happen. As a casual making maybe $25K that's $250 a year ($21 a month). Union dues are not that high.
We think alike but it must be remembered that the Federation (as well as all the others) is a Union of and for Members.
Low union membership yields little union power. No truer words can be spoken than to say that no union can afford to fight for the rights of a base which does not itself support the union by means of membership. That's the very idea.
Unions do not set the safety net (the Award is the bare minimum, not the standard).
how many budding young pilots would be willing to do this and get themselves a name that could finish them before they've started?
Of course, this is unfortunately very hard to see when you have 200 hours in your logbook and everybody is telling you to not make waves.
The big big big problem is the 'just gotta get through GA alive' syndrome followed by the lack of unity in close second.
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PS, for $400 a year ($34 per month) even a struggling pilot on $40K can make it happen. As a casual making maybe $25K that's $250 a year ($21 a month). Union dues are not that high.
can this be true
I think that if you slam these pilots taking these jobs you are very misguided. Its not the pilots. Its the operators and owners of these companies. It is potentially a safety issue, and CASA should exercise its power to investigate and make operators PROVE that pilots are working with conditions that are not a detriment to safety.
I think that furthermore before slamming these pilots, we need to have a good hard look at ourselves. Its us in the older generation that created this situation that allows it to happen, and we can be very quick to blame the young guys starting out.
I think that furthermore before slamming these pilots, we need to have a good hard look at ourselves. Its us in the older generation that created this situation that allows it to happen, and we can be very quick to blame the young guys starting out.
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It's not about age, it's about choices to stand up for one's self, one's profession and one's responsibilities. For example Flight and Duty rules put the onus on both the Operator and the Pilot equally for a reason, the pilot has a responsibility to their passengers as does the Operator.
Sure the next generation always inherits the **** sandwich but in no way does that mean that said next generation can just sit around waiting to be handed a good gig.
No, it is not just the young. Yes the young need to be involved in fixing things.
Uniting all ages, skill levels, licences etc in an orderly way is the key.
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Sure the next generation always inherits the **** sandwich but in no way does that mean that said next generation can just sit around waiting to be handed a good gig.
No, it is not just the young. Yes the young need to be involved in fixing things.
Uniting all ages, skill levels, licences etc in an orderly way is the key.
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I agree that AFAP is there to serve it's members, after all that's what a union is all about, protection for it's members by unity. However, I also think that by being proactive in situations like this they will be sending out a message to the new pilots coming through (not to mention the older hats who maybe don't see the need to join) that the union has a very important part to play in our industry and show the benefits of being a member.
The subject of the original post has today sent their application in, so there's one step in the right direction. As for the company involved I'm half a mind to put my nose in the door and give them a piece of my mind myself.
The subject of the original post has today sent their application in, so there's one step in the right direction. As for the company involved I'm half a mind to put my nose in the door and give them a piece of my mind myself.
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You are suggesting the AFAP should adopt the "Pay It Forward" principal. In cases like this they should seriously consider it. I would like to see it though!
If what you guys are saying is true, its time the operators would held to account somehow.
If what you guys are saying is true, its time the operators would held to account somehow.
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Onya 'young budding instructor at YSBK' definitely a step in the right direction.
Jaba, that's an excellent choice of words and I had to stop and reconsider TrevorDal's argument. I knew what he was getting at but put in the terms of 'paying it forward' gets the point across very bluntly and succinctly. Even if it makes me think of Haley Joel Osment and Helen Hunt
I agree that there's a very thin line between looking after Members and potential Members. At the end of the day of course the golden rule dictates what the Federation can and cannot spend its gold on, despite what they may want to do (they are of course people who were once 200 hour pilots themselves).
I do believe that the best way to show the benefits of Membership and unity is by examples of times that they have stuck up for Members (the recent victim of JetStar Management is a recent example of a pilot who would be very glad his Membership dues were in good standing, another great advertisement for Membership is the phone number that they provide urging Pilots who are Members and are involved in an Incident to contact them first BEFORE speaking to ATSB, CASA, Insurance etc despite what rules they may spout from the Act or Regs).
Jaba, that's an excellent choice of words and I had to stop and reconsider TrevorDal's argument. I knew what he was getting at but put in the terms of 'paying it forward' gets the point across very bluntly and succinctly. Even if it makes me think of Haley Joel Osment and Helen Hunt
I agree that there's a very thin line between looking after Members and potential Members. At the end of the day of course the golden rule dictates what the Federation can and cannot spend its gold on, despite what they may want to do (they are of course people who were once 200 hour pilots themselves).
I do believe that the best way to show the benefits of Membership and unity is by examples of times that they have stuck up for Members (the recent victim of JetStar Management is a recent example of a pilot who would be very glad his Membership dues were in good standing, another great advertisement for Membership is the phone number that they provide urging Pilots who are Members and are involved in an Incident to contact them first BEFORE speaking to ATSB, CASA, Insurance etc despite what rules they may spout from the Act or Regs).
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