Is RACWA on finals? YOU WERE WARNED!!
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T28 - Rude is your middle name
MK Rude?!?!
Hardly
MK Inexperienced?!?!
Hardly
Perhaps you should stop looking in the mirror whilst commenting on others.
Your attitude and failings precede you.
Icarus - Recoverable? Absolutely.....but, it does require a real effort on behalf of all members and staff.
The current staff of RACWA require training in areas other than aviation. such training should be focused on Communication with CUSTOMERS.
The best people I have come across for CUSTOMER LIAISON are people from NSW & QLD. I don't know why but they seem to have a better disposition in life and are really willing to HELP anyone, anytime.
The current flood crisis and subsequent "army of volunteers" are testament to this.
There was a guy on 6PR yesterday, and he was offering some seats for the rehearsal for OZ Day.
JD IS STILL AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE CLUB.
I, for one, look forward to some more positive reports on RACWA. I would still like to know what advertising things are coming up from MK that we were not to know about at the last meeting. I would also like to know more about the development / sales opportunities that are coming up with Murrayfield.
Hardly
MK Inexperienced?!?!
Hardly
Perhaps you should stop looking in the mirror whilst commenting on others.
Your attitude and failings precede you.
Icarus - Recoverable? Absolutely.....but, it does require a real effort on behalf of all members and staff.
The current staff of RACWA require training in areas other than aviation. such training should be focused on Communication with CUSTOMERS.
The best people I have come across for CUSTOMER LIAISON are people from NSW & QLD. I don't know why but they seem to have a better disposition in life and are really willing to HELP anyone, anytime.
The current flood crisis and subsequent "army of volunteers" are testament to this.
There was a guy on 6PR yesterday, and he was offering some seats for the rehearsal for OZ Day.
JD IS STILL AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE CLUB.
I, for one, look forward to some more positive reports on RACWA. I would still like to know what advertising things are coming up from MK that we were not to know about at the last meeting. I would also like to know more about the development / sales opportunities that are coming up with Murrayfield.
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From what I read, it does seem that a lot of mistakes have been made but there's no point crying over spilt milk!
I started flying in Sep 2010 on a starter pack which took me through to December after which I joined the club.
When I initially went to RACWA, my first impressions were not great as I would have expected the staff to be tripping over themselves to help considering the amount of money i was going to spend on my ppl. Instead they were quite dismissive. However, I persevered as the club was recommended by a friend.
That said, I have now warmed to most of the ops staff although they still need to be more customer focussed and professional. The ones who are doing their CPL course have been full of advice which has been really helpful as my instructor does not have much spare time for me when we're not flying as he's straight onto another lesson or TIF which I think is a shame.
The other frustrating thing is that there appears to be no social life ... I've never seen the bar open and apart from a few fly-in events I have not seen anything organised.
Why not throw the odd quiz night, BBQ etc? Could these not be good fund raising opportunities and a chance to meet fellow aviators? Or am I being too naive as a newcomer? After all - it is a club!
Can the club also not encourage people to pay up front to then get discounted lessons / flying? Could that not help cash flow? I'd certainly pay for more than a 10 lesson starter pack if it meant I got a little more money off.
After reading all the comments on here I wondered whether I should have taken my business elsewhere but I am happy at RACWA and with my instructor despite a few frustrating things as these can be easily sorted and the club could be better.
I dont think that any CLUB can get out of the dumps with the committee working in isolation, a club needs the support of it's members and that means you guys getting down there, using the planes, using the bar and encouraging people to use the club as well. That should in turn generate some much needed cash!?
I sincerely hope that the depression on this forum is not across the whole club as RACWA needs people, at every level of the club, who can question themselves as to 'what can I do to make the difference' and not complaining about everyone else and saying "it's not my fault it's the committee"
My commitment is to do my PPL at RACWA, bring friends down and introduce them to the club, try to pop down for lunch when I can etc ... I know not much but I'm sure if every member did the same it would make a difference?
Let's hope that there's enough people at RACWA who can CLUB together, make it work and and do a touch and go!
I started flying in Sep 2010 on a starter pack which took me through to December after which I joined the club.
When I initially went to RACWA, my first impressions were not great as I would have expected the staff to be tripping over themselves to help considering the amount of money i was going to spend on my ppl. Instead they were quite dismissive. However, I persevered as the club was recommended by a friend.
That said, I have now warmed to most of the ops staff although they still need to be more customer focussed and professional. The ones who are doing their CPL course have been full of advice which has been really helpful as my instructor does not have much spare time for me when we're not flying as he's straight onto another lesson or TIF which I think is a shame.
The other frustrating thing is that there appears to be no social life ... I've never seen the bar open and apart from a few fly-in events I have not seen anything organised.
Why not throw the odd quiz night, BBQ etc? Could these not be good fund raising opportunities and a chance to meet fellow aviators? Or am I being too naive as a newcomer? After all - it is a club!
Can the club also not encourage people to pay up front to then get discounted lessons / flying? Could that not help cash flow? I'd certainly pay for more than a 10 lesson starter pack if it meant I got a little more money off.
After reading all the comments on here I wondered whether I should have taken my business elsewhere but I am happy at RACWA and with my instructor despite a few frustrating things as these can be easily sorted and the club could be better.
I dont think that any CLUB can get out of the dumps with the committee working in isolation, a club needs the support of it's members and that means you guys getting down there, using the planes, using the bar and encouraging people to use the club as well. That should in turn generate some much needed cash!?
I sincerely hope that the depression on this forum is not across the whole club as RACWA needs people, at every level of the club, who can question themselves as to 'what can I do to make the difference' and not complaining about everyone else and saying "it's not my fault it's the committee"
My commitment is to do my PPL at RACWA, bring friends down and introduce them to the club, try to pop down for lunch when I can etc ... I know not much but I'm sure if every member did the same it would make a difference?
Let's hope that there's enough people at RACWA who can CLUB together, make it work and and do a touch and go!
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Ha the lunacy continues.
That spanner on 6PR needs shooting. Of all the people in the club - why that nice person! Has he done more harm than good. I think he illustrated to the general public that the club is in dire starits and willing to do anything for a $$. Came across as very desperate, but that just only me. Wonder why he is still at the club and not flying a real job ???
Any corporate sponsor with $$ to spend is wanting see something in return. Throwing good money after bad is not generosity, its dumb, its depsertae and it's misguided. Ask T28 and Joker 10.... am i right ?
I wonder if the committee authorised this ??? Me thinks not, or are they all dummies!
Clare Prop - I say again coz you didn't hear me last time - JD is a dinosaur and his methods have been extinct for quiet some time now. Surely you can find some young energetic Y-gen to take over ?
T-28 - spot on
Icarus - mate you are an wonderful person. I say again "Won der ful".
S&L - You are a wonderful person too. Members have revolted. There is no one left. are you the only one trying to get into a closed bar. Take a hint. Iid eee ottt or the RACWA instructor in the maknig HAAAAA
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So to all, I do enjoy this banter, but have now taken up late night river prawning.
Adios
That spanner on 6PR needs shooting. Of all the people in the club - why that nice person! Has he done more harm than good. I think he illustrated to the general public that the club is in dire starits and willing to do anything for a $$. Came across as very desperate, but that just only me. Wonder why he is still at the club and not flying a real job ???
Any corporate sponsor with $$ to spend is wanting see something in return. Throwing good money after bad is not generosity, its dumb, its depsertae and it's misguided. Ask T28 and Joker 10.... am i right ?
I wonder if the committee authorised this ??? Me thinks not, or are they all dummies!
Clare Prop - I say again coz you didn't hear me last time - JD is a dinosaur and his methods have been extinct for quiet some time now. Surely you can find some young energetic Y-gen to take over ?
T-28 - spot on
Icarus - mate you are an wonderful person. I say again "Won der ful".
S&L - You are a wonderful person too. Members have revolted. There is no one left. are you the only one trying to get into a closed bar. Take a hint. Iid eee ottt or the RACWA instructor in the maknig HAAAAA
. So to all, I do enjoy this banter, but have now taken up late night river prawning.
Adios
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Apart from selling off a few aircraft has anything else happened, I for one would like to see the bar open every night, Is it possible for members to take turns in opening the bar, price's could be cost +10%, better to make a little bit and get people there socialising than trying to make huge profit from bar sales, club prices sounds good to me, I am sure plenty of JT engineers and pilots would love a nearby cold one especially this time of year.
Wiley I know JD wasn't everyone's cup of tea but when he was running things it didn't get into this mess. It took bright sparks with MBAs to do that.
I gave up my membership of that place about 15 years ago for various reasons and am now an objective industry observer, watching the karma come home to roost.
AFAIK the whole top floor is leased to a separate company so if the bar is closed I guess they have decided it's not cost effective to open.
Agree with a lot of what you say Wiley but it's a bit unnecessary to be calling people idiots.
I gave up my membership of that place about 15 years ago for various reasons and am now an objective industry observer, watching the karma come home to roost.
AFAIK the whole top floor is leased to a separate company so if the bar is closed I guess they have decided it's not cost effective to open.
Agree with a lot of what you say Wiley but it's a bit unnecessary to be calling people idiots.
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Nirak you are right. MK and TR are just individuals trying their best.
MK - nice guy, honest and capable, but I think the task is out of his reach. He is fighting the banks, the system and .........the committee
Can i man undo all the mess that he has inherited. Will his "team"of accountants give him the info to properly assess the situation. Fingers crossed, but sadly i understand the bets are on. My $10 says this finacnial year.
TR - who ??? The smiley guy that sits in the biggggggg office, with the biggggggg salary. How much flying does he really do ? Why is such a young talented bright spark like that still an instructor in the GA world, while every young thruster has his eye on a big kero-burner. Hmm wondering wodnering wondering if someone will see through his charade and call his bluff. In the meantime, I'm told he's on over $100K !!!!!!!! oh and sorry he's on a scuba diving course and so unreachable. Maybe a career change and the club can save its first $100k instead of selling off assets..
MK - nice guy, honest and capable, but I think the task is out of his reach. He is fighting the banks, the system and .........the committee
Can i man undo all the mess that he has inherited. Will his "team"of accountants give him the info to properly assess the situation. Fingers crossed, but sadly i understand the bets are on. My $10 says this finacnial year.TR - who ??? The smiley guy that sits in the biggggggg office, with the biggggggg salary. How much flying does he really do ? Why is such a young talented bright spark like that still an instructor in the GA world, while every young thruster has his eye on a big kero-burner. Hmm wondering wodnering wondering if someone will see through his charade and call his bluff. In the meantime, I'm told he's on over $100K !!!!!!!! oh and sorry he's on a scuba diving course and so unreachable. Maybe a career change and the club can save its first $100k instead of selling off assets..
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G'day Wiley
Not everyone in aviation is chasing the big kero-burner. Some like to teach and share their knowledge, and are really good at it.....though in this instance i'd have to agree with you!
Not everyone in aviation is chasing the big kero-burner. Some like to teach and share their knowledge, and are really good at it.....though in this instance i'd have to agree with you!
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Sweet - you're right. There are some career instructors and yup, they are the stalwarts of the industry. I have flown with many and the industry would be toast without those select proffessional instructors.
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that's one of the saddess aspects of this whole mess. There are good people at the club, in ops, instructing and whatever else, and they will be a big loss to the community if it all folds. And selfishly speaking, I don't want to change schools and 'start again'...
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"I seem to recall that JD ran the place flawlessly for decades,"
You're right and he is typical of the standard of RACWA. Totally, absolutely and utterly average. In every sense of the word.
There is not much more you can say about RACWA and everyone employed by the organisation other than how incredibly average they are. There is not a single thing that is remarkable about any of them.
Please let the organisation slip away quietly at least.
You're right and he is typical of the standard of RACWA. Totally, absolutely and utterly average. In every sense of the word.
There is not much more you can say about RACWA and everyone employed by the organisation other than how incredibly average they are. There is not a single thing that is remarkable about any of them.
Please let the organisation slip away quietly at least.
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My own club unfortunately comes under the RACWA AOC. It will be interesting to see what happens when and if.
A good few years ago I came up with the idea of marketing flying training to the good folk of the UK using the clear, traffic free skies and good weather of WA as a selling point for the package. Advertising was commenced and all was going sweet until RACWA got to hear of it (I think someone spotted one of the ads and complained).
As a result I, and the Club President, were hauled off to Jandakot to face the spanish inquisition of JD. And this despite the President having previously got the nod from RACWA (probably informally). Result? The scheme was canned and advertising stopped immediately. A considerable amount of my personal cash was up the swanny as a result.
Imagine the surprise when RACWA started doing the same thing very shortly afterwards
Ah well, chickens/home/roosting etc
A good few years ago I came up with the idea of marketing flying training to the good folk of the UK using the clear, traffic free skies and good weather of WA as a selling point for the package. Advertising was commenced and all was going sweet until RACWA got to hear of it (I think someone spotted one of the ads and complained).
As a result I, and the Club President, were hauled off to Jandakot to face the spanish inquisition of JD. And this despite the President having previously got the nod from RACWA (probably informally). Result? The scheme was canned and advertising stopped immediately. A considerable amount of my personal cash was up the swanny as a result.
Imagine the surprise when RACWA started doing the same thing very shortly afterwards
Ah well, chickens/home/roosting etc
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I have been watching this thread for sometime now. Not saying anything, just watching and reading. However, when I saw that some of you are now having a go at the CFI for taking 3 days leave I think thats going a bit too far.
Firstly, let me say, that I know that the CFI was there over the entire XMAS break. Unlike most the stuff in this thread I know that to me true as I flew with him during that time. How dare he take a few days off to go diving. Shame on you TR. Shame on you for not being at the beck and call of Wiley Coyote and the other pack of savages that call themselves club members.
And then to have another go because he has chosen to stay an Instructor and do what he loves doing... grow up. How many of you have CPL's? ME/CIR? How many are ATO's? Not many I bet. How many of you stopped at a PPL? Thats right... I forgot!!! You can only be a pilot if you want to fly jets!!! Wiley Coyote, why aren't you flying a big kero-burner?
You all seem to very good at pointing out the problems but not once have I seen anyone put any solutions We know it is always very easy to dissect someones actions after the fact. I am sure you have all sat there over a beer ripping apart the actions of another pilot after seeing their effort at flying land them on the news and in the morgue. Instead of the usual choruses of "I would have done this...." or "What he should have done was...." why don't you stop being part of the problem. If you have no interest in flying a RACWA then piss off. Go else where. Just stop your bitching. "Oh the planes are too old!!!" "The instructors are only there for the hours"... Judging my the way most of you carry on here, I wouldn't want to fly with you either.
Firstly, let me say, that I know that the CFI was there over the entire XMAS break. Unlike most the stuff in this thread I know that to me true as I flew with him during that time. How dare he take a few days off to go diving. Shame on you TR. Shame on you for not being at the beck and call of Wiley Coyote and the other pack of savages that call themselves club members.
And then to have another go because he has chosen to stay an Instructor and do what he loves doing... grow up. How many of you have CPL's? ME/CIR? How many are ATO's? Not many I bet. How many of you stopped at a PPL? Thats right... I forgot!!! You can only be a pilot if you want to fly jets!!! Wiley Coyote, why aren't you flying a big kero-burner?
You all seem to very good at pointing out the problems but not once have I seen anyone put any solutions We know it is always very easy to dissect someones actions after the fact. I am sure you have all sat there over a beer ripping apart the actions of another pilot after seeing their effort at flying land them on the news and in the morgue. Instead of the usual choruses of "I would have done this...." or "What he should have done was...." why don't you stop being part of the problem. If you have no interest in flying a RACWA then piss off. Go else where. Just stop your bitching. "Oh the planes are too old!!!" "The instructors are only there for the hours"... Judging my the way most of you carry on here, I wouldn't want to fly with you either.
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bugger solutions.. if RACWA goes down, another FTO will replace it, only the history of the club will be missed - in it's present stage I don't think too many people would miss it... i would like to see some of the other FTO's on the block get some student flow (try flying at Minnovation and you will see what customer service should be)
Anyone heard anything about TAC yet? I heard that there are a few potential buyers (for the whole thing = possible revival of TAC) instead of being broken up and sold off in bits...
Anyone heard anything about TAC yet? I heard that there are a few potential buyers (for the whole thing = possible revival of TAC) instead of being broken up and sold off in bits...
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Good on you Clyster, my sentiments exactly. TR is cool and hard working and a dedicated instructor and very approachable. JD is a damn fine pilot and a damn fine chap.
given some of the so called "members"comments on this thread it actually makes me wonder if the problem was actually with the management or was it these so called members who were white anting the club.
Get with plan be part of the solution not the problem!
given some of the so called "members"comments on this thread it actually makes me wonder if the problem was actually with the management or was it these so called members who were white anting the club.
Get with plan be part of the solution not the problem!