Is RACWA on finals? YOU WERE WARNED!!
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RACWA Instructors are considered to be one of the best trained Instructors in WA.
RACWA Instructors are considered to be one of the best trained Instructors in WA.
I was branded a "cowboy" because I dared to do a straight in approach at Bunbury by ascertaining the winds off the forecast instead of the overfly, dead side let down ALA inspection and 20 minute procedure that was required before a landing could be affected. But that is how they do it up north!
I never had any problem with their flying skills and they were all very well trained, however a little real world experience and exposure to the real industry would be very beneficial to the organization and students. At the end of the day the product that they produce is a Private Pilot that flys quite well with a CPL.
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Green Goblin I am not sure when you went through there, but I worked there from about 03-06 or there abouts and I never heard any of us junior guys say "thats how it's done up north" or the airline one.
We simply taught the RACWA syllabus. The fact that in PPL training we were supposed to teach you to do an upwind join isn't our fault. CPL training was a different matter.
Perhaps things were different before or after I was there.
We simply taught the RACWA syllabus. The fact that in PPL training we were supposed to teach you to do an upwind join isn't our fault. CPL training was a different matter.
Perhaps things were different before or after I was there.
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GG, I am with you 100%.
I went through my CPL training last year with RACWA, not as the 150 hour but as a 200 hour pilot. It was like it had never happened before. I spoke to 4 different instructors before I finally found someone with real world experience who could give me a different answer other than "here is the 150 hour course, this is what you need to do" Best instructor I ever had too, knew his stuff, had plenty of experience (military and airline), unfortunately RACWA stuffed him around, he quit and now works for CASA I believe.
One of my instructors knew his theory, had over 2000hrs experience but did his uni degree at ECU, all his training at RACWA and then started instructing with RACWA. Has been there ever since. Favourite comment "this is what happens up north" or "if you do that up north, you will get sacked." How did he know, supposedly he had some friends up there. I heard it from a couple of other instructors too, all fresh instructors with minimal hours and experience.
Straight ins were frowned upon, along with a few other things. Have been flying up north now for about 12 months and the things that were frowned upon by that instructor and RACWA are what really happens. I picked up a lot of good ideas from the instructor with the real world experience.
I got the feeling when I was trying to do my training that I was a liability for a lot of the instructors because I didnt go with the flow and wanted to do things a little bit differently to the syllabus. Unfortunately my personal circumstances dictated that I had to do things slightly differently. As I couldnt do it how the book stated it had to be done, the instructors couldnt think outside the square and threw it in the too hard basket. It took an email through to the CFI before something was done.
I really hope RACWA gets back on its feet, because it will be a shame to see it go under. I think over the years, it has forgotten the most important factor, that it is a CLUB, for its members, not a business. If it goes back to being a CLUB and treats its members as the most important thing, then maybe it will survive. (I couldnt even buy my instructors a beer when I passed my CPL because the mob that have the contract for upstairs didnt open the bar on Thursday nights. A club bar should be able to open up whenever there are people to drink, especially if there is someone who is happy to run the bar as a volunteer.)
I went through my CPL training last year with RACWA, not as the 150 hour but as a 200 hour pilot. It was like it had never happened before. I spoke to 4 different instructors before I finally found someone with real world experience who could give me a different answer other than "here is the 150 hour course, this is what you need to do" Best instructor I ever had too, knew his stuff, had plenty of experience (military and airline), unfortunately RACWA stuffed him around, he quit and now works for CASA I believe.
One of my instructors knew his theory, had over 2000hrs experience but did his uni degree at ECU, all his training at RACWA and then started instructing with RACWA. Has been there ever since. Favourite comment "this is what happens up north" or "if you do that up north, you will get sacked." How did he know, supposedly he had some friends up there. I heard it from a couple of other instructors too, all fresh instructors with minimal hours and experience.
Straight ins were frowned upon, along with a few other things. Have been flying up north now for about 12 months and the things that were frowned upon by that instructor and RACWA are what really happens. I picked up a lot of good ideas from the instructor with the real world experience.
I got the feeling when I was trying to do my training that I was a liability for a lot of the instructors because I didnt go with the flow and wanted to do things a little bit differently to the syllabus. Unfortunately my personal circumstances dictated that I had to do things slightly differently. As I couldnt do it how the book stated it had to be done, the instructors couldnt think outside the square and threw it in the too hard basket. It took an email through to the CFI before something was done.
I really hope RACWA gets back on its feet, because it will be a shame to see it go under. I think over the years, it has forgotten the most important factor, that it is a CLUB, for its members, not a business. If it goes back to being a CLUB and treats its members as the most important thing, then maybe it will survive. (I couldnt even buy my instructors a beer when I passed my CPL because the mob that have the contract for upstairs didnt open the bar on Thursday nights. A club bar should be able to open up whenever there are people to drink, especially if there is someone who is happy to run the bar as a volunteer.)
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however a little real world experience and exposure to the real industry would be very beneficial to the organization and students
did his uni degree at ECU, all his training at RACWA and then started instructing with RACWA. Has been there ever since
Once we all gain our 'real world experience', Instructing does not hold a lot of appeal for the majority of us to give up their shiny comfy jet jobs and go teach a bunch of up starts.
I didnt go to the club. Not to fly and not to drink. I didnt like it. That is my opinion. But I do not want to see it fail either. Good luck to all involved.
When will the Jan 2011 Tarmac Topics become available? Would love to read the Racwa President Report
Good call. Looking forward to hearing abou the blockbuster December trading they had and all the good stuff the new committee is worknig on.
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Cap'n Bloggs - sureley you figured it out !!! Most people on this thread have been members for a long time. Alot however have in recent times decided that
a) their membership subscription $$ was better spent elsewhere,
b) their flying $$'s was better spent at other organsiations offering newer aircraft,
c) that they simply couldn't put up with the rort that is so evident today.
Oh and did I mention the lack of care and attention by the staff.
Capn' Blogg - pull your head out your ass, wipe you eyes and get with the real world !
Fish are biting. Adios
a) their membership subscription $$ was better spent elsewhere,
b) their flying $$'s was better spent at other organsiations offering newer aircraft,
c) that they simply couldn't put up with the rort that is so evident today.
Oh and did I mention the lack of care and attention by the staff.
Capn' Blogg - pull your head out your ass, wipe you eyes and get with the real world !
Fish are biting. Adios
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Wiley "Ain't that the truth" no matter what good intentions some may have there is bugger all goodwill left.
They have a new CEO a rude person who is not helping at all and the collateral damage must be being applauded by all the other Jandakot operators.
They have a new CEO a rude person who is not helping at all and the collateral damage must be being applauded by all the other Jandakot operators.
The question has to be asked, why on earth if they are in such dire financial straits are they paying a CEO salary? In times like this, any unproductive hangers-on need to be scrapped from the payroll.
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YPJT, I guess it is done because it has "always been this way" no logic to it just "custom and practice"
My simle observation is they are running ' business as usual' I venture to suggest that the prevailing mood is not withstanding the gross mis management of the past 3 years we can trade out of this mess.
Directors need to be aware of S 183 of the Corps Law it is a hard place to be, best endeavours won't cut it, needs to be somewhat more constructive than that !!
My simle observation is they are running ' business as usual' I venture to suggest that the prevailing mood is not withstanding the gross mis management of the past 3 years we can trade out of this mess.
Directors need to be aware of S 183 of the Corps Law it is a hard place to be, best endeavours won't cut it, needs to be somewhat more constructive than that !!
The question has to be asked, why on earth if they are in such dire financial straits are they paying a CEO salary? In times like this, any unproductive hangers-on need to be scrapped from the payroll.
YPJT, I guess it is done because it has "always been this way" no logic to it just "custom and practice"
T28D, he may be rude but at least he had the balls and the brains to realise, over 12 months ago, that the club was being trashed, big time, and organise a revolt. Unfortunately, he failed.
short flights long nights
You are so right Bloggsie...the revolt failed...when those corrupt morons rolled up to the meeting with lawyers, we should have known something REALLY big was going on then...and we should have nailed the ba
ds to the wall right then. Then we would not be in such a huge mess now.
ds to the wall right then. Then we would not be in such a huge mess now.
There was a guy from RACWA (didn't get his name or position but he couldn't pronounce partenavia) on the radio today (6PR) talking to Paul Murray, I think it was for seats on aircraft in the Australia day show rehearsal being available for prizes or something? I only caught a little bit of it. Anyway he was saying that the club was looking for corporate sponsors to buy aircraft and lease them to the club to put on line.
That won't help the balance sheet any.
That won't help the balance sheet any.
Funny you should say that because the guy from RACWA on the radio mentioned "John Douglas who used to run the club" and I was thinking exactly the same thing!
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JD is and was a legend in the Aero Club movement for all the right reasons, in his day the place was a club, it started the move sideways to a "commercial" ( tongue in cheek) operation chasing China Southern down the rabbit hole.
Downfall was when members were treated as strangers and overseas students as cash cows.
Circa 2001 rot really set in, the purchase of the ground school was just the nail in the proverbial corporate coffin as the club atmosphere had long gone by then.
Can it be resurrected as a club, given the debt burden and the attitude of the CEO I doubt there will be any chance of renewal.
Downfall was when members were treated as strangers and overseas students as cash cows.
Circa 2001 rot really set in, the purchase of the ground school was just the nail in the proverbial corporate coffin as the club atmosphere had long gone by then.
Can it be resurrected as a club, given the debt burden and the attitude of the CEO I doubt there will be any chance of renewal.
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Piss poor preparation against an entrenched Board of Directors who held good cards and exercised legal judgement.
Really an inexperienced CEO ( and still is !!!) up against a wiley group of Directors who were only interested in their own positions and protecting fragile EGO's
The whole last 36 months is a debacle of over blown Ego, really bad management decisions, and a central theme that commercial development was more important than members rights.
Tragic really, and potentially an unrecoverable position.
Really an inexperienced CEO ( and still is !!!) up against a wiley group of Directors who were only interested in their own positions and protecting fragile EGO's
The whole last 36 months is a debacle of over blown Ego, really bad management decisions, and a central theme that commercial development was more important than members rights.
Tragic really, and potentially an unrecoverable position.
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