Jandakot Crash
From today's 'The West Australian', page 3....
"Tampering Alleged in Jandakot Plane Crash",
Investigators are looking into allegations of fuel-system tampering in the crash of a plane at Jandakot on Wednesday that left a young flying instructor with serious eye injuries.
'The West Australian' has learnt that Jandakot Flight Centre has informed the ATSB investigators of its fuel system tampering concerns and it is understood the problem has occurred before.....
....WA Police have confirmed that the Bureau had raised the issue of a fuel problem.
The remainder of the article goes on to describe the event....
'The Eagle 150B had engine problems just after take-off and the instructor requested an emergency return, but during the turn to land the engine quit and the wing stalled, sending the aircraft into the ground.'
Both occupants are described as being in a stable condition.
The article concludes - 'The aircraft has proved excellent for flight training because of its docile handling and the fact that it is liked by pilots'.
Good luck to both of them
"Tampering Alleged in Jandakot Plane Crash",
Investigators are looking into allegations of fuel-system tampering in the crash of a plane at Jandakot on Wednesday that left a young flying instructor with serious eye injuries.
'The West Australian' has learnt that Jandakot Flight Centre has informed the ATSB investigators of its fuel system tampering concerns and it is understood the problem has occurred before.....
....WA Police have confirmed that the Bureau had raised the issue of a fuel problem.
The remainder of the article goes on to describe the event....
'The Eagle 150B had engine problems just after take-off and the instructor requested an emergency return, but during the turn to land the engine quit and the wing stalled, sending the aircraft into the ground.'
Both occupants are described as being in a stable condition.
The article concludes - 'The aircraft has proved excellent for flight training because of its docile handling and the fact that it is liked by pilots'.
Good luck to both of them
I have probably over 20 hours in the Eagle, and the docile handling does not extend to when the engine is not providing power - it falls out of the sky at a far greater rate tham similar a/c of it's size. The engine in the Eagle also did have a history earlier on in it's career with fuel control unit problems. Sounding like this may be the quality of the fuel rather than an actual mechanical issue. Its a fun little thing to fly, but certainly not as 'easy' as say a 152/PA38.
Most of the places on the east coast that had them online on lease handed them back, I don't believe many are in flying school service in Oz any longer.
Hopefully they both have a speedy recovery.
Most of the places on the east coast that had them online on lease handed them back, I don't believe many are in flying school service in Oz any longer.
Hopefully they both have a speedy recovery.
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I agree with Puff in regards to the Fuel control unit , a well known operator in the Sydney area had their Fuel control unit replaced by Continental free of charge and appearently no questions asked even though the said operator was prepared to give a detailed report to Continental regarding 3 previous engine failures all in the circuit as the aircraft passed through 300 to 400 ft ,the second flight was because the instructor didnt believe the student so had to have ago himself and the third one was after a detailed inspection by the maintainence provider. At the time the operator said he believed that he had the eagle with the highest amount of hours in the country and that this may be more common in the future.NOT SAYING THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE EVENTS IN WA
I flew have over 500 hundred hours in the Eagle and as much as it was fun too fly it was not a good training acft. Stalling was very docile but the glide ration was terrible. You had to start at 5000 or 6000 feet to demo forced landings. It was a little tricky in the landing as well and didnt float or allow much forgiveness if you flared to high.
Seemed to have issues with fuel vapourisation from memory as well, a real bugger to start hot being fuel injected. Rapid advancement of the the throttle during a practice EFATO certainly didnt give an aspiring response for at least a second or two and even then a cough or two.
Seemed to have issues with fuel vapourisation from memory as well, a real bugger to start hot being fuel injected. Rapid advancement of the the throttle during a practice EFATO certainly didnt give an aspiring response for at least a second or two and even then a cough or two.
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ASN Aircraft accident 26-JUN-2008 Eagle 150B 9M-BDO
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There's been about 3 or 4 accidents or incidents involving Eagle 150Bs in Malaysia in the last 12 months. A mate of mine instructing there had a partial engine failure in one last year.
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Was not sabotage
Jandakot plane crash not sabotage | Perth Now
Wonder where that leaves DC - jumping up and down on national tv
Now where is my drink....(no pun intended there either)
CMN
Wonder where that leaves DC - jumping up and down on national tv
Now where is my drink....(no pun intended there either)
CMN
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As for the comments on this article...
Chris of Rockingham Posted at 7:33 PM Today
Turning a planes motor on and off is dangerous, when I was taught to do this, as part of stall training, I was told that this is one of the most dangerous things a pilot can do on purpose. This tragic accident is mute proof that killing the power on a plane while in flight is dangerous at any altitude. I am please I did this maneuver at a decent height.
If it is dangerous to turn my "planes motor (sic) on and off" how will I ever be able to get airborne? Presumably he means the "stall starts" that journos like to refer to.
Is there really anyone out there who "kills the power on a plane" at any altitude?
Hoping the two involved are recovering.
Chris of Rockingham Posted at 7:33 PM Today
Turning a planes motor on and off is dangerous, when I was taught to do this, as part of stall training, I was told that this is one of the most dangerous things a pilot can do on purpose. This tragic accident is mute proof that killing the power on a plane while in flight is dangerous at any altitude. I am please I did this maneuver at a decent height.
If it is dangerous to turn my "planes motor (sic) on and off" how will I ever be able to get airborne? Presumably he means the "stall starts" that journos like to refer to.
Is there really anyone out there who "kills the power on a plane" at any altitude?
Hoping the two involved are recovering.
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Chris of Rockingham... Where do they find these idiots? (Yes yes, I know that the obvious answer is Rockingham.)
I feel dodgy enough doing inflight shut-downs on renewals and endorsements (twins), what idiot shuts down the only operating engine? I'd wager a tenner that this guy had no idea that his instructor just pulled the throttle back.
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I feel dodgy enough doing inflight shut-downs on renewals and endorsements (twins), what idiot shuts down the only operating engine? I'd wager a tenner that this guy had no idea that his instructor just pulled the throttle back.
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I would wager that Chris from Rockingham had a TIF once and now thinks he is qualified to drive Jumbo's and advise the press. 
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CFI - interested in your idea on page 1 about rather having someone who understands aviation etc than someone who doesn't report it.
In my experience (32 years as a RAAF ATCO) and subsequent employment (I now work with the AFP) plus my studies, I think you will find it's often the un-educated one who gives best evidence.
A pilot or experienced person will try and analyse/second guess what happened, where Joe Bloggs will say (admittedly sometime stupidly..) "the aircraft tried to shed it's wings".
That statement (ie - possibility of structural failure) will be far more valuable in the investigation that another pilot's conjecture/theory...............
You even support this thinking with your post about the rock-ape from Rockingham (see how he tried to explain what was being done rather than just what happened........)
In my experience (32 years as a RAAF ATCO) and subsequent employment (I now work with the AFP) plus my studies, I think you will find it's often the un-educated one who gives best evidence.
A pilot or experienced person will try and analyse/second guess what happened, where Joe Bloggs will say (admittedly sometime stupidly..) "the aircraft tried to shed it's wings".
That statement (ie - possibility of structural failure) will be far more valuable in the investigation that another pilot's conjecture/theory...............
You even support this thinking with your post about the rock-ape from Rockingham (see how he tried to explain what was being done rather than just what happened........)
