One Dead in Northland plane crash
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Your post's reek of the sensationalist garbage that one would expect from the ignorant or un-informed. Go back to your sandpit sonny and wait till I call you in for tea. The poor prick has only been gone a day and there is already some smart-arse pillorying him. You obviously have no respect for anything or anyone but your own self importance. 25 years old.... christ, you are acting like a ten year old in the schoolyard who caught the big boys smoking behind the shed.....
Rant over
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Rant over
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You all need to go back and read my posts again and not take things out of context, I wasn't blaming anyone just asked a few simple questions. You're the ones that need to pull your heads and learn how to read an understand someones post.
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You act as if you have never broken any rule in your life. Rules have been there before I started flying, and I hope that your aviation career you haven't broken any. Rules are there to keep you safe, those rules have been written in blood. Those rules were written as a direct result of people dying.
"There are many bold pilots, There are many old pilots, But there aren't many OLD BOLD pilots"
Remember that one next time you decide to comment, saying it's "ok" to break rules
You act as if you have never broken any rule in your life. Rules have been there before I started flying, and I hope that your aviation career you haven't broken any. Rules are there to keep you safe, those rules have been written in blood. Those rules were written as a direct result of people dying.
"There are many bold pilots, There are many old pilots, But there aren't many OLD BOLD pilots"
Remember that one next time you decide to comment, saying it's "ok" to break rules
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Not to sound rude or anything, but What in the hell was he doing, flying the plane so close to the ground in the first place ????
We would have to await a report to know more, but it would seem a fair possibility that this could likely be an unfortunate accident involving a private strip, which generally are not too long, a mechanical (power loss) or environmental (wind shear) factor that caused the aircraft to be lower "over the fence" on departure than would typically be desired, and potentially a vehicle driving down a road crossing the strip end at just the wrong time.
The aircraft was a YAK-52, we can assume subject further information that the pilot knew what he was doing, you don't just jump in a YAK and away you go.
In short,
I only asked things that ANY normal sane pilot would have asked
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Sleeman, Once again it was written "Thankyou for clarification". It could have ended there until the trollers believed it was ok to flame someone on pprune. Don't worry I have my flame retardant suit on.
As for the incident, yes we will wait and see. Theres nothing more we can do until then.
Also for the family, I am sorry for your loss, but from the information given at present that was the only deduction one can come up with. Nothing more. Call it "creative journalism" on the NZ's behalf.
As for the incident, yes we will wait and see. Theres nothing more we can do until then.
Also for the family, I am sorry for your loss, but from the information given at present that was the only deduction one can come up with. Nothing more. Call it "creative journalism" on the NZ's behalf.
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"Rules are for the observance of fools and the guidance of wise men". A quote oft quoted by my late father, ( a 24000 hr pilot ) when railing against mindless beaurocracy. You dont know me, but with 11000 odd hrs Ag, 2000 of 'em in the dark on cotton, I can assure you I have picked up a healthy respect for low level flight and the pitfalls that await the unwary. The point that I make is that your line of questioning was so flawed as to be seen as ridiculous by most of the 'trollers', as you so disrespectfully refer, on this site. I am quite happy to continue this discourse if you wish to PM me
Coming from the other side of the globe, I find it rather hard to understand the tone of the conversation here. A pilot just died in a crash and you go on like little kids.. well, it´s your privilege I suppose. Anyway, I´m off to the airport, we have our Antonov 2 on skis today and a fly-in to catch. Relax, folks, these things sometimes happen to the best of us and sometimes for the strangest of reasons, not all of our own making...
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And OA you don't know me either. Thats what PPRuNe is all about. Anonymity. I didn't make any wise cracks about you. I was only asking to keep my own "personal minimums" high enough to keep me safe. If we can ALL learn from this maybe it wont happen again !
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So anyway, back to the topic. From what was said on the news tonight, it is sounding like a high-speed beat-up, which would be pretty consistent with the standard "rich thrillseeker boys and their toys" profile. it would be incredibly difficult to hit the van if you weren't aiming in it's general direction, and the van didn't seem in any hurry to get out of the way. It seems likely that he was trying to do a beat-up and got caught out by windshear.
And before the inevitable sledging starts, no I'm not an accident investigator, just an old pilot who knows that if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
Also someone who has no problem with calling a spade a spade, unlike a lot of the precious, holier-than-thou types who like to post here.
But anyway, let's all look forward to the inevitable conclusion of the investigation...
Oh, and as for this piece of crap...
No. They don't.
And I just noticed this:
No chance. That is precisely WHY accidents like this happen over and over again... 
And before the inevitable sledging starts, no I'm not an accident investigator, just an old pilot who knows that if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
Also someone who has no problem with calling a spade a spade, unlike a lot of the precious, holier-than-thou types who like to post here.
But anyway, let's all look forward to the inevitable conclusion of the investigation...
Oh, and as for this piece of crap...
Relax, folks, these things sometimes happen to the best of us
And I just noticed this:
If we can ALL learn from this maybe it wont happen again !
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There was some hearty winds around that day and a sigmet for severe turbulence below 6000 feet, in the area concerned. We had some wind shear on approach in tg. Huge mountain wave activity. Not ideal conditions but not too bad.
It will be interesting to find out what happened, or the best estimate as to what happened.
RIP
It will be interesting to find out what happened, or the best estimate as to what happened.
RIP
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WHAT actually happened remoak?
(edited for following post) ... I realise what happened from reading the same news report as everyone else (an aircraft crashed into a stationary vehicle/the pilot died/it was windy) and unless remoak was there I know as much about what caused it as he does.
(edited for following post) ... I realise what happened from reading the same news report as everyone else (an aircraft crashed into a stationary vehicle/the pilot died/it was windy) and unless remoak was there I know as much about what caused it as he does.
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As you SHOULD be able to tell from my use of phrases such as "from what was said" and "it seems likely", I wasn't there and didn't see what happened.
Having said that, there was more than one news report, and they all differed slightly. I suspect that the only person who will ever know exactly what happened is the unfortunate pilot.
Of course there will be an investigation, which will have very little more information to go on than is already in the public domain. The only real questions are whether there was a mechanical malfunction (which there doesn't appear to have been from the witness reports), what part the windy conditions might have played (possibly quite a lot, but we will never know for sure - and it seems unlikely that the aircraft couldn't have coped with any windshear), and whether the pilot was impaired or incapacitated.
So the investigation will be based mainly on informed deduction, or as it is more accurately known, a best guess.
The most important piece of information is what the pilot was trying to do at the time, which of course we will never know.
So at the end of the day, the only difference between the speculation here, and the slightly more informed speculation that will become the accident report, is the level of detail.
So you feel free to wait for the report. I'm happy to just read it when it comes out in a year or so, and confirm what I already think.
WHAT actually happened remoak?
Having said that, there was more than one news report, and they all differed slightly. I suspect that the only person who will ever know exactly what happened is the unfortunate pilot.
Of course there will be an investigation, which will have very little more information to go on than is already in the public domain. The only real questions are whether there was a mechanical malfunction (which there doesn't appear to have been from the witness reports), what part the windy conditions might have played (possibly quite a lot, but we will never know for sure - and it seems unlikely that the aircraft couldn't have coped with any windshear), and whether the pilot was impaired or incapacitated.
So the investigation will be based mainly on informed deduction, or as it is more accurately known, a best guess.
The most important piece of information is what the pilot was trying to do at the time, which of course we will never know.
So at the end of the day, the only difference between the speculation here, and the slightly more informed speculation that will become the accident report, is the level of detail.
So you feel free to wait for the report. I'm happy to just read it when it comes out in a year or so, and confirm what I already think.
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Bhahahahahaha you guys crack me up.
Good on the news for getting the details correct, now they are saying a Cessna 206. Pic in Sunday star times is NOT a yak!
Apparently he got airborne and flew for 200m before crash
Yak 52, 200m airborne std climb = 200ft at least, tall van at that?
Brother in van watching takeoff = pilot do beatup over car? I would......
Yak52 = good performance plane
hitting car= not able to explain maybe low running along strip and got blown sideways into car, who knows.
Pic shows 206... so all that out the window
Good on the news for getting the details correct, now they are saying a Cessna 206. Pic in Sunday star times is NOT a yak!
Apparently he got airborne and flew for 200m before crash
Yak 52, 200m airborne std climb = 200ft at least, tall van at that?
Brother in van watching takeoff = pilot do beatup over car? I would......
Yak52 = good performance plane
hitting car= not able to explain maybe low running along strip and got blown sideways into car, who knows.
Pic shows 206... so all that out the window
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Why? The only difference would be the aircraft type... surely a 206 with one person on board could manage an initial rate of climb similar to a Yak? Surely a 206 can climb more than 10 feet after being airborne for 200m?
But no... we mustn't speculate... only accident investigators are smart enough to do that...
But no... we mustn't speculate... only accident investigators are smart enough to do that...
I think 'Remoak' has hit the nail on the head and I agree. It is polite to wait for the results of the investigation and not be too opinionated, but I have seen this all before and agree we will see it all again. I can still remember the P51 at the opening of the Bendigo airport and can still hear that awfull thump as it hit the ground. The Beagle Pup at Berwick is another. The reason you dont see so many C210's around these days is because all the young 'Aces' up North have turned them into scrap metal with their low level 'wingovers' and stall-turn demonstrations. The two most dangerous words in Aviation, "watch this!" Very sad but like VFR pilots boring tunnels into the hills how do you stop it.
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There is always one who has to remind everyone else how good his knowledge is of the rules.
I can tell you from having done a fair bit in the '52 that once you go through to full power and have the climb attitude set you can't see anything directly in front of you, a bit like a taildragger, so if the van crossed his path or was too close and there was a good crosswind he could have hit it without knowing it was in his path. It does sound a bit suss at this point but we don't know what exactly happened do we...
Who knows it may have been a Cessna, or a Skyhawk?
I can tell you from having done a fair bit in the '52 that once you go through to full power and have the climb attitude set you can't see anything directly in front of you, a bit like a taildragger, so if the van crossed his path or was too close and there was a good crosswind he could have hit it without knowing it was in his path. It does sound a bit suss at this point but we don't know what exactly happened do we...
Who knows it may have been a Cessna, or a Skyhawk?