Class 'D' airspace radio procedures
Would you believe we sometimes had to use a party line, operator connected telephone to cancel SAR. It was called a "airmove priority" call and was free by the way.
And would you believe that the late lamented stammering C.C.Chris Braund
wrote on the flight plan form in the box for method of canceling SAR - 'SMOKE SIGNAL'? Gentleman that he was, he appended the box where PIC wrote his name, adding 'Yours sincerely', and then signed with a flourish.
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Gippsland Flyer;
Your question specifically related to dot point 2 of your post;
Then you go on to ask;
So firstly one should ask why would you be on a CTAF frequency in class E airspace? (you know, above 8500ft), and secondly ask where you got your information that we ever were
Really, to be safe, I think you should just stay in bed.
Your question specifically related to dot point 2 of your post;
2. What happens when I am on a CTAF and have a problem and there are no other aircraft to hear me? In the millisecond between an engine out and "oh #$^T" I don't think I would be looking for the radio frequency for the CTR. So I guess the 7700 is the next best. Not as good as being in constant touch with the FSU of old.
So my question is - while all this diatribe is going on about class D and Class C, who is considering what happens to poor old VFR pilots on CTAF frequencies in class E when there is a problem.
in constant touch with the FSU of old.
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Fantome;
And one listed "souls on board" in case you were carrying dead bodies. One famous aviator of the time wrote the number of live chickens he was transporting from Sydney to Melbourne in a Piaggio as an indelible mark of his Christian upbringing. (this, at the time, was tolerated).
Dare I say his initials were BJW?
And one listed "souls on board" in case you were carrying dead bodies. One famous aviator of the time wrote the number of live chickens he was transporting from Sydney to Melbourne in a Piaggio as an indelible mark of his Christian upbringing. (this, at the time, was tolerated).
Dare I say his initials were BJW?
Folks,
Maybe we should have a separate thread just devoted to the many hilarious utterances of CCCCChris.
Just for starters, those with a long enough memory:
(then) "Correct" word when passing Glenfield on the 07 ILS at ASSY (as it then was, until some bureaucrat decide that Australia wasn't in the league where nations were identified as A for Australia, N for N. America, G for GB, F for France, D for Germany etc):
"Sydney Tower, XXX Glenfield inbound, left 3000"
or Chris ( in an EWA DC-3):
"SSSSSydney TTTTower is our TTTTower,
WWWWe hear tttthem every ddddday"
All to the tune of the Aeroplane Jelly song.
Tootle pip!!
Maybe we should have a separate thread just devoted to the many hilarious utterances of CCCCChris.
Just for starters, those with a long enough memory:
(then) "Correct" word when passing Glenfield on the 07 ILS at ASSY (as it then was, until some bureaucrat decide that Australia wasn't in the league where nations were identified as A for Australia, N for N. America, G for GB, F for France, D for Germany etc):
"Sydney Tower, XXX Glenfield inbound, left 3000"
or Chris ( in an EWA DC-3):
"SSSSSydney TTTTower is our TTTTower,
WWWWe hear tttthem every ddddday"
All to the tune of the Aeroplane Jelly song.
Tootle pip!!
He also had his own sung version of the 'Sydney flour is our flour' jingle . . 'We use it everyday, for cakes and scones that mother bakes . . . '
'S.S.Sydney Tower is our T.Tower, We c.c.call you everyday. This is Echo W.W Whiskey Alpha, over B.Broken Bay.'
There's at least half a dozen priceless Chris stories in the book 'Laughter in the Air', a collection of 'Tales' from the back page of 'AVIATION' when Jim Thorne had it.
Chris being chipped by Tamworth Tower for being a mile inside the CTR without a clearance. 'S.S.Sorry . . . c.c.could it be er.er. earth rotation?'
'S.S.Sydney Tower is our T.Tower, We c.c.call you everyday. This is Echo W.W Whiskey Alpha, over B.Broken Bay.'
There's at least half a dozen priceless Chris stories in the book 'Laughter in the Air', a collection of 'Tales' from the back page of 'AVIATION' when Jim Thorne had it.
Chris being chipped by Tamworth Tower for being a mile inside the CTR without a clearance. 'S.S.Sorry . . . c.c.could it be er.er. earth rotation?'
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Crikey! Someone's lost the plot!
OZBUSDRIVER;
I thought FS gave Sterling service and made flying enjoyable with face to face briefings, met conditions, and courteous and efficient radio interaction. I shared many a cup of coffee on early morning briefings and they never yelled at you.
The simple fact was that VHF coverage below 5000ft was very patchy and offered no mantle of constant coverage over the vast parts of Australia.
Someone's lost the plot!OZBUSDRIVER;
I thought FS gave Sterling service and made flying enjoyable with face to face briefings, met conditions, and courteous and efficient radio interaction. I shared many a cup of coffee on early morning briefings and they never yelled at you.
The simple fact was that VHF coverage below 5000ft was very patchy and offered no mantle of constant coverage over the vast parts of Australia.
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The temerity ! Been round here days, zero cred, has the gall to berate and abuse in language uninviting one who consistently respects the rules and moreover has a wealth of relevant experience . Should be standing out in the passage for the rest of the period.
That or bend over.
Says he likes to talk on the wireless. Does not say how often he has to change hands.
That or bend over.
Says he likes to talk on the wireless. Does not say how often he has to change hands.
Last edited by Fantome; 14th Feb 2010 at 17:16.
Ahhh, so extending that just a little further , Francis. If we have the VHF coverage(Which we now do) You would wish that we had FS back instead of dealing with ATC, work permitting.
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OZBUSDRIVER;
I don't deal with ATC any more because they yell at you.
The post after yours sums up that judgemental and intolerent attitude.
Indeed. Spare me the commo spam!
You would wish that we had FS back instead of dealing with ATC, work permitting.
The post after yours sums up that judgemental and intolerent attitude.
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I don't deal with ATC any more because they yell at you.
Frank,
I consider that ATC to be unprofessional. Did you report them?
Could you give an example of when an ATC 'yelled' at you.
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max1;
I must admit every ATC interaction I have had in the real world has been professional and unabrasive. I have heard ATC become very short with students at times and one example I can quote happened at Rockhampton during one of the Kangaroo exercises. Very busy indeed.
Bloke I know had recently beecome PPL and was nervous when flying to "the big smoke" which he had to do on a regular basis for medical treatment for his child with cancer. I was RH seat with him on this occasion. He stuttered when under pressure but managed to get most everything right until a long winded airways clearance for departure had him toss the microphone at me. (no headsets then either).
I questioned one part of the clearance and the ATCO thinking he was talking to the original pilot, started to berate me most vigourously until I pulled him into gear and the penny dropped.
The fact he was busy did not take into account the tragedy that became of this family who used their Cherokee for private and not commercial flying.
Old mate sold the aircraft shortly after and submitted to the 6 hour drive after the event. Never flown since.
At other times, same airport, I have shared coffee with the crew on occasion and was mostly given "known status" when arriving or departing. I even had an emergency there and the same blokes went out of their way to facilitate a safe outcome.
As for Owen Stanley,, well we have talked among ourselves and are in general agreement to disagree with each other. He seems to hold me responsible for the alleged actions of someone else and we will never agree about the way the ADSB matter was handled and the broken promises about subsidies.
As for the concept, I am sick of saying I support it where it is needed as an ATC tool.
So I'm probably guilty of winding him up. I bear him no malice however.
I must admit every ATC interaction I have had in the real world has been professional and unabrasive. I have heard ATC become very short with students at times and one example I can quote happened at Rockhampton during one of the Kangaroo exercises. Very busy indeed.
Bloke I know had recently beecome PPL and was nervous when flying to "the big smoke" which he had to do on a regular basis for medical treatment for his child with cancer. I was RH seat with him on this occasion. He stuttered when under pressure but managed to get most everything right until a long winded airways clearance for departure had him toss the microphone at me. (no headsets then either).
I questioned one part of the clearance and the ATCO thinking he was talking to the original pilot, started to berate me most vigourously until I pulled him into gear and the penny dropped.
The fact he was busy did not take into account the tragedy that became of this family who used their Cherokee for private and not commercial flying.
Old mate sold the aircraft shortly after and submitted to the 6 hour drive after the event. Never flown since.
At other times, same airport, I have shared coffee with the crew on occasion and was mostly given "known status" when arriving or departing. I even had an emergency there and the same blokes went out of their way to facilitate a safe outcome.
As for Owen Stanley,, well we have talked among ourselves and are in general agreement to disagree with each other. He seems to hold me responsible for the alleged actions of someone else and we will never agree about the way the ADSB matter was handled and the broken promises about subsidies.
As for the concept, I am sick of saying I support it where it is needed as an ATC tool.
So I'm probably guilty of winding him up. I bear him no malice however.
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Owen;
In your last para we may be largely in agreement mate.
As for the offending post of flying on a CTAF frequency in class E airspace, well, how high is the highest airport in Australia and is that CTAF freq intrusive of the 8500ft class E airspace to any great degree?
I saw it as just another DS wind up that the man doesn't deserve.
He has actually achieved something in his life and it sh!ts me beyond reasonability that piss poor examples of humanity, that have achieved nothing in their miserable lives take to their keypads and demonstrate their anti Tory wares here on PPRune simply because they are failures in their own right.. Legends in their own lunchbox.
Why does every opinionated fkucwit on the subject live in Gippsland?
Tag over to you OZBUSDRIVER.
In your last para we may be largely in agreement mate.
As for the offending post of flying on a CTAF frequency in class E airspace, well, how high is the highest airport in Australia and is that CTAF freq intrusive of the 8500ft class E airspace to any great degree?
I saw it as just another DS wind up that the man doesn't deserve.
He has actually achieved something in his life and it sh!ts me beyond reasonability that piss poor examples of humanity, that have achieved nothing in their miserable lives take to their keypads and demonstrate their anti Tory wares here on PPRune simply because they are failures in their own right.. Legends in their own lunchbox.
Why does every opinionated fkucwit on the subject live in Gippsland?
Tag over to you OZBUSDRIVER.
