Can bush pilots carry/fly handguns?
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Binghi, I heard an (unverified) story from an army bloke a while ago about a chopper that made an emergency landing deep in croc country, and the crew (while uninjured) spent a rather unpleasant night up a tree with their rifles scaring off crocodiles. Apparently they'd used most of their ammunition by morning 
Apache, according to the Regs, a flare is defined as a weapon, but weapons can be carried on board if they are aircraft stores or emergency equipment and not generally accessible to passengers. (1.09) On another note, apparently the 'tools of trade' weapon exemption does not apply to firearms. (4.59a)
Where's the OP? Lots of serious replies
There probably is some sort of permit available 
IIRC about the only thing that's prohibited absolutely is importing human embryo clones. Anything else there's usually a 'with the Minister's approval' type loophole in the Act.
Apache, according to the Regs, a flare is defined as a weapon, but weapons can be carried on board if they are aircraft stores or emergency equipment and not generally accessible to passengers. (1.09) On another note, apparently the 'tools of trade' weapon exemption does not apply to firearms. (4.59a)
Where's the OP? Lots of serious replies
What next....? Is it legal to send Anthrax in the mail?
IIRC about the only thing that's prohibited absolutely is importing human embryo clones. Anything else there's usually a 'with the Minister's approval' type loophole in the Act.
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FWIW, my Aus Licence has, courtesy of CASA, the endorsement:'Firearms Carriage' with no expiry date (valid while licence is valid). Got the endorsement in mid 90's when doing a lot of North Australian flying. Endorsement does not specify longs or shorts, just firearms.
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Hey Murry, me and one of my pilot wannabe buddies try to find Pine Gap on the Aussie map in that hell whole english class.
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Oh, and I have another question in regards to whether sea-plane pilots can smoke ice whilst flying?
After some wikipedian I now where..
Oh, and I have another question in regards to whether sea-plane pilots can smoke ice whilst flying?
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This thread
http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/3536...se-pilots.html
is the thread that will give you all the answers.
Guys, go a little easy on LoG. 16 years old, and I'm guessing it's school holidays. Look at some of his other questions...
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http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/3536...se-pilots.html
is the thread that will give you all the answers.
Guys, go a little easy on LoG. 16 years old, and I'm guessing it's school holidays. Look at some of his other questions...
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In the NT you just apply to CASA for a "Carriage Permit" or in the case of feral animal control from rotary aircraft a "Carriage and Discharge Permit".
Take these permits into PMC Berrimah and fill in an application for a "Shooters License", you genuine reason is "016 Pilot (Survival)". You will recieve an interim permit on the spot if you can produce;
1) Log Book
2) Safety Course Certificate
3) CASA Permits
4) Letter from employer requesting the issue
5) Photos of safe storage facility (ie pistol safe)
6) FCL or certified copy of
7) ASIC or Criminal History Check
Apply on the spot for a "Permit to Aquire", take this to a Firearm Dealer and purchase the pistol of your choice, ie...
1) Desert Eagle .44mag
2) Kimber 1911 .45acp
3) S&W 686 .357mag
4) Glock 17 9mm
5) Ruger 10/22 Charger .22
Or Whaterver you Fancy
You can now carry this pistol openly whilst in conjunction with your employment, must not be concealed on you person, so just like a security guard. Most boys just stitch some elastic in their headset bag to hold it in place. Can be carried loaded if you wish, although common sense would prevail.
And for all you w$nkers who go on to post that firearms are evil and have no place in the community or aviation.
1) Epirb 121.5mhz with a flat battery (Boss is tightass)
2) Spare Epirb 121.5mhz to throw at croc when u have crashed in swamp
3) Bible (to pray that croc leaves)
4) Alcohol (to numb pain)
5) Concrete (to harden the f&ck up and buy a gun)
Take these permits into PMC Berrimah and fill in an application for a "Shooters License", you genuine reason is "016 Pilot (Survival)". You will recieve an interim permit on the spot if you can produce;
1) Log Book
2) Safety Course Certificate
3) CASA Permits
4) Letter from employer requesting the issue
5) Photos of safe storage facility (ie pistol safe)
6) FCL or certified copy of
7) ASIC or Criminal History Check
Apply on the spot for a "Permit to Aquire", take this to a Firearm Dealer and purchase the pistol of your choice, ie...
1) Desert Eagle .44mag
2) Kimber 1911 .45acp
3) S&W 686 .357mag
4) Glock 17 9mm
5) Ruger 10/22 Charger .22
Or Whaterver you Fancy
You can now carry this pistol openly whilst in conjunction with your employment, must not be concealed on you person, so just like a security guard. Most boys just stitch some elastic in their headset bag to hold it in place. Can be carried loaded if you wish, although common sense would prevail.
And for all you w$nkers who go on to post that firearms are evil and have no place in the community or aviation.
1) Epirb 121.5mhz with a flat battery (Boss is tightass)
2) Spare Epirb 121.5mhz to throw at croc when u have crashed in swamp
3) Bible (to pray that croc leaves)
4) Alcohol (to numb pain)
5) Concrete (to harden the f&ck up and buy a gun)
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A standard ??
Some standards would be nice, but I'm not sure if it's due to the various legal interpretations or just common sense.
When I was flying helicopters in Mildura, jets had just started to arrive and the screening was a new idea. The security would not let me carry a leatherman/gerber airside even when I argued that it was a tool of trade, but up in Alice Springs they didn't have a problem. Could be that they had new toys in Mildura and were still finding their feet.
When I was flying helicopters in Mildura, jets had just started to arrive and the screening was a new idea. The security would not let me carry a leatherman/gerber airside even when I argued that it was a tool of trade, but up in Alice Springs they didn't have a problem. Could be that they had new toys in Mildura and were still finding their feet.
Oooooh,.
... i don't know about letting pilots have leatherman's...imagine, in flight, something comes loose on the panel...pilot thinks i'll just whip out the leatherman and fix that....avionics disaster....
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... i don't know about letting pilots have leatherman's...imagine, in flight, something comes loose on the panel...pilot thinks i'll just whip out the leatherman and fix that....avionics disaster..........
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And for all you w$nkers who go on to post that firearms are evil and have no place in the community or aviation.
1) Epirb 121.5mhz with a flat battery (Boss is tightass)
2) Spare Epirb 121.5mhz to throw at croc when u have crashed in swamp
3) Bible (to pray that croc leaves)
4) Alcohol (to numb pain)
5) Concrete (to harden the f&ck up and buy a gun)
1) Epirb 121.5mhz with a flat battery (Boss is tightass)
2) Spare Epirb 121.5mhz to throw at croc when u have crashed in swamp
3) Bible (to pray that croc leaves)
4) Alcohol (to numb pain)
5) Concrete (to harden the f&ck up and buy a gun)
The genius that swaggers about with a gun. (Probably not really knowing how to use it.)
or
The person that weighs up the risk of carrying / storing a gun versus the likelihood of ever having to sit up a tree and aggravate a group of angry crocs with 6 pissy little bullets.
I'll take the Satphone thanks! Hope your kids or an angry black fella never get a hold of that chrome, long-barrel 44 Clint!........
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The genius that swaggers about with a gun. (Probably not really knowing how to use it.)
The person that weighs up the risk of carrying / storing a gun
Versus the likelihood of ever having to sit up a tree and aggravate a group of angry crocs
6 pissy little bullets
I'll take the Satphone thanks
Hope your kids or an angry black fella never get a hold of that chrome, long-barrel 44 Clint!........
Why do the cops have guns, air marshalls, military, security guards, customs, feds, barra fisherman, safari operators... Its obviously to protect themselves and others from harm, try telling me that cops need guns. Because less than 1% of Australian Police have reported ever having to draw their firearms in defence. The reason you call the police in an emergency is because they have guns right.....
There is no reason why pilots shouldnt be able to carry a firearm for self defence. It's like you trying to tell me that i shouldnt be allowed knives at home because i could hurt someone. If you dont like it then dont get one. Some of us actually appreciate them and i very rarely leave Darwin without one, even by car.
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Save the money on the gun and buy a Satphone
Without going into the finer points, both have their place, depending on your circumstances. Personally if I was able to justify both, I'd have both. (must admit to preferring a longarm, but that's beside the point)
Regardless of which you choose (or neither, or both), become familiar with and properly trained in the use of whatever equipment you have - even the dastardly leatherman. Agreed, leatherman training is sparse, but familiarity will do there.
Going through the process of getting an approval is one thing, but like any other item of your equipment, or any other skill you possess, you're going to get the most from it through training and regular practice.
Think of it like a navaid, practice regularly and you'll be thankful if you ever need it.