PPL cost these days...
Mr.Tos
Only if you ask those questions whilst the instructor is being paid., eg in the air, or during a paid lesson.
Like most people I don't mind getting something for 'free'., but put yourself in the instructors situation.
Most people don't mind the occasional question, but an instructor will probably get a stream of questions, from different people and a lot of those questions would require non-trivial amounts of time to answer.
For how long would you keep answering questions without any possibilty of recompense.?
Anything you didn't grasp simply ask your instructor, and they shouldn't charge you for that!
Like most people I don't mind getting something for 'free'., but put yourself in the instructors situation.
Most people don't mind the occasional question, but an instructor will probably get a stream of questions, from different people and a lot of those questions would require non-trivial amounts of time to answer.
For how long would you keep answering questions without any possibilty of recompense.?
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Hey guys
Thanks for your replies. I have checked out a few schools and Whitworth seems to be no 1 on my list now.
I am actually doing my Bachelors in Aerospace Engineering and I do have a Diploma in the same field too. I have read up some of the PPL text and they are very much similar to what I have studied in the engineering field.
So what do you think I should skip so that I can save as much moolah as possible.
Thanks for your replies. I have checked out a few schools and Whitworth seems to be no 1 on my list now.
I am actually doing my Bachelors in Aerospace Engineering and I do have a Diploma in the same field too. I have read up some of the PPL text and they are very much similar to what I have studied in the engineering field.
So what do you think I should skip so that I can save as much moolah as possible.
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The GFPT is optional but a lot of schools would like you to think CASA says it is compulsory. If their ops manual Section E says to do it, then they have to do it, but it is not compulsory to put that requirement in the ops manual!
By skipping that you can do a lot of the forced landing practice, instrument flying etc while on your navs rather than having to do all that before starting the navs.
All elements in the GFPT have to be re-tested at PPL. IMO the GFPT is a waste of time and money unless you are bursting to take someone up for a fly before starting your navs.
By skipping that you can do a lot of the forced landing practice, instrument flying etc while on your navs rather than having to do all that before starting the navs.
All elements in the GFPT have to be re-tested at PPL. IMO the GFPT is a waste of time and money unless you are bursting to take someone up for a fly before starting your navs.
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Tobz92_ymen,
Sorry to say, but it sounds like you're paying way too much for your training. If you've just got your GFPT (30 hours dual and 5 solo) and spent $14k to get that far, you can expect to spend around another $10k at least to get your PPL.
$24,000.00 to get a PPL is way too much money, IMHO.
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Sorry to say, but it sounds like you're paying way too much for your training. If you've just got your GFPT (30 hours dual and 5 solo) and spent $14k to get that far, you can expect to spend around another $10k at least to get your PPL.
$24,000.00 to get a PPL is way too much money, IMHO.
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Agreed with the above. Even excluding the landing fees, you're still averaging $285 per hour of flight time. What exactly are you flying - if it's your ordinary Warrior or 152, that's too much.
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Too much money, his choice, life is about freedom of choice.
Really smart folk go get a RAA licence first these days, learn manipulative skills on low inertia toys, then graduate to spam cans. Saves heaps and gives a great grounding in managing energy.
Really smart folk go get a RAA licence first these days, learn manipulative skills on low inertia toys, then graduate to spam cans. Saves heaps and gives a great grounding in managing energy.
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no its a C172 R, the school has C150 for $250 an hour dual, but i asked why dont we use that and my instrustor responded with "you done want to use that slow old thing"
if i am being ripped off then what should i being paying for dual in a C172, and if not in a C172 then what should i fly instead, and finally can anyone suggest any good flight schools at ymen?
if i am being ripped off then what should i being paying for dual in a C172, and if not in a C172 then what should i fly instead, and finally can anyone suggest any good flight schools at ymen?
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While I think tobz92_ymen could be doing his licence in less hours than he currently is by going to a country aerodrome school, I have just looked at 10 flying schools that have the same aircraft and the average cost of a C152 dual is $260 p/hr and a C172 dual is $281 p/hr and this doesn’t include landing fees. So yes what he has been quoted would appear to be the new normal price. No wonder no Australians are learning to fly anymore. Just because we are in an economic downturn now doesn’t mean the pilot shortage problem is going to go away. Infact it will be even worse when the upturn eventually happens because even less people during the downturn will be inclined to learn to fly.
While I think tobz92_ymen could be doing his licence in less hours than he currently is by going to a country aerodrome school, I have just looked at 10 flying schools that have the same aircraft and the average cost of a C152 dual is $260 p/hr and a C172 dual is $281 p/hr and this doesn’t include landing fees. So yes what he has been quoted would appear to be the new normal price. No wonder no Australians are learning to fly anymore. Just because we are in an economic downturn now doesn’t mean the pilot shortage problem is going to go away. Infact it will be even worse when the upturn eventually happens because even less people during the downturn will be inclined to learn to fly.
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There'll be pie in the sky- bye and bye
So far only s small percentage of those who have spent big bucks on flight training have made it into airlines. Some go to GA for a few years before either getting an airline job or seeing the reality and quitting.
Airlines love to have lots of young hopefuls waiting in the wings at no cost to the airline.
How many airlines are prepared to make definite committments to trainees?
Airlines love to have lots of young hopefuls waiting in the wings at no cost to the airline.
How many airlines are prepared to make definite committments to trainees?
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Must admit, I can't figure out why the hell a PA28 is now getting up towards $200 rental, what the hell has changed so much lately to drive prices up so much nationwide?
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Fixed costs such as insurance and parking haven't decreased.
eg. parking at a (so far) major GA airport is around $5k/pa, insurance is about $4k/pa, so for 100 hours/pa utilisation those fixed costs alone represent about $90/hr.
Now add maintanence, fuel and operator overheads and a living wage for an instructor and I'm not surprised that the true cost for something like a C150 is around $200/hr.
eg. parking at a (so far) major GA airport is around $5k/pa, insurance is about $4k/pa, so for 100 hours/pa utilisation those fixed costs alone represent about $90/hr.
Now add maintanence, fuel and operator overheads and a living wage for an instructor and I'm not surprised that the true cost for something like a C150 is around $200/hr.
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I was out of flying for a while and when i looked at lots of schools when i decided to complete my training both YMEN and YMMB and the prices that i have seen in this post are very real.
$15k is a realistic price to gain PPL these days, $260-280 is also very real for a C172/PA28 these days.
We can only hope they go down!
$15k is a realistic price to gain PPL these days, $260-280 is also very real for a C172/PA28 these days.
We can only hope they go down!