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Old 13th Oct 2008, 10:33
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in the Dr's case it would be fancy knowing exactly where yr gunna crash right to the inch (with how many GPS's Dr?) when nobody can help ya anyway 'till the next day
Wally, Forkair SOPs now require 4 x GPS as minimum equipment in the FTDK - G430W in the panel, G496 on the yoke and a dinky little new Garmin USB GPS the size of a 50c piece plugged into tablet - plus a GPS in the GME MT410G Accusat PLB!. Forkair SOPs also mandate the carriage of a survival kit that includes tropical bug spray, sunscreen, high energy food, lots of water etc. Having parked the Bo under the conditions described I would be faced with a tough descision. Do I ring up on the sat phone and try to get a pick-up that afternoon - or do I roll out the swag beside a big bonfire for a pleasant night under the stars!

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PS: I don't expect the wild donkeys would trouble me - the word is probably out about what I do to their more domesticated cousins!

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Old 13th Oct 2008, 10:53
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What? No GPS in the survival kit?

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Old 13th Oct 2008, 11:42
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Geez PF, thanks for reminding me - I forgot one! See the now amended previous post!

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Shhhhez Dr 'ForkAir' SOP's would be about what, 4 pages long?

Page 1:.......always fight to the end that SE is safer than twins
Page 2:.......Always have spare batts for every GPS, shares in Eveready would be helpful
Page 3:.......Remember to have 2X med check-ups every calender year, we ain't gettin' any younger here Dr
Page 4:.......Regular glide testing will be performed to make sure you can squeeeeeze every mile out of the Fork Tail Dr killer just in case the mulitiple GPS's don't work because somebody simply turned off the switch!

Dr what did you/we do pre GPS's? in my case I just bluffed 'em & prayed a lot (still do) but in yr case you would have had 4X WAC charts for every corner of the globe
4X pencils
4X whiz wheels
4X rulers
And 4Xtimes the nav skills way back then, we are now so reliant on GPS's that avaition is now just a system managers job


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Old 14th Oct 2008, 01:56
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Page 1:.......always fight to the end that SE is safer than twins
I have never actually said that, although it is fun to spar with you. I would however argue that, operated appropriately, a SE is not significantly less safe than an equivalent light twin. The stats are on my side!
Page 2:.......Always have spare batts for every GPS, shares in Eveready would be helpful
The only GPS in the FTDK that has other than battery back up is the PLB! I do however carry a few spare batteries for the ANR headset.
Page 3:.......Remember to have 2X med check-ups every calender year, we ain't gettin' any younger here Dr
I do that anyway
Page 4:.......Regular glide testing will be performed to make sure you can squeeeeeze every mile out of the Fork Tail Dr killer
Seems kinda dumb to spend a lot of time flying the one aeroplane and not know everything about it!
just in case the mulitiple GPS's don't work because somebody simply turned off the switch!
Is that a realistic senario?
Dr what did you/we do pre GPS's?
Flew around with a WAC chart, a protractor, ruler, biro and whiz wheel, or an ERC and an ADF, often a VOR, sometimes a DME, and occassionally an ILS!

Obviously I like technology - its fun to play with! However, I can find my way around most of Qld just by looking out the window! Been doing it since 1974.

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Old 14th Oct 2008, 02:19
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As an aside: FTDK Is the Garmin 495 the same as the 496 minus the americas maps etc? Or is it a hardware difference due to XM Wx uplink or whatever they call it ....

I think I read somewhere before you did a software job on your 496, but that was before a 495 was released.
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Old 14th Oct 2008, 04:22
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blueloo, yes the 495 is the go for Oz. I think Garmin got the idea from me! I had extensive email correspondence with their support people on how to Ozzify a 496. The 495 is the same hardware and software as the 496 - only the databases are different.

They probably should pay me royalties!

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Old 14th Oct 2008, 05:58
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ahhhh come on Dr yr no fun, too many serious answers there buddy

............"Seems kinda dumb to spend a lot of time flying the one aeroplane and not know everything about it"

Re the above few would know everything about their plane:-)

Technology is good Dr, enhances safety but it has taken a lot of the raw fun out of flying.

Out of curiosity Dr have you flown the Bo without touching the control column just using trim, power, rudder & flap only to perhaps late final? Now that would be knowing yr craft far beyond what's expected of any pilot. During my CPL training days I had an older instructor that insisted that I be able to fly a circuit to within a very close distance from the rwy with only trim, power, rudder & flap only, was fun but I doubt I would need that level of skill between frights


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Old 14th Oct 2008, 06:10
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Wally..... you should know better.

it flies from rotate, gear up, a/p on, to the Garmin coupled ILS and DSE Autoland .

If it were not for taxiing the bloke would get DVT

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hey 'jaba' I know I ought to know better but I've seen a piccy of the Dr standing in front of the Bo, DVT is the last of his worries




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Old 14th Oct 2008, 10:26
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Why do most threads on here turn into wank-a-thons by the usual suspects?

Can we please try to keep threads to the intended topic and not about how many panel,yoke,wing, and head mounted penis pulling devices each beechcraft flying knob has!
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Old 14th Oct 2008, 10:32
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Why do most threads on here turn into wank-a-thons by the usual suspects?
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Old 14th Oct 2008, 10:52
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oh god the anti-fun police are out in force.

Why do such threads end up like this? It ain't rocket science fellas there's little else been added in this particular thread of any use other than to have a laugh. Out of about 2 doz posts around 4 or so where directly related to the original post re the downing of a Bonanza. That goes to show that providing no one was hurt what else can ya write about it?

Look no doubt the Mods will be recruiting you guys for future anti fun police but in the mean time let the thread die a natural death will ya & move on yourselves, no ones making you read it



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Old 14th Oct 2008, 11:00
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Hey wal- i'm far from the fun police.

There are also about a million posts in all other forums about the FTCS (no not a typo) and his bonanza. Its not personal i just know alot of people get sick of it.
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Old 14th Oct 2008, 11:03
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Hasslehof/milk et al.

There are 3 mods on D&G and we all have different views on what constitutes light reading entertainment. Some agree with you some don't.

It is useful to remember that Pprune exists because of it's members...all of them. No one forces you to read every thread and if there are posters that get up your nose demonstrate some adult self control and don't read their posts.

For mine I believe there are only a few rules. No abuse, no defaming/libeling and a minimum of thread drifting. By 'a minimum' I mean deliberate thread diversions such as Capt Wally has been guilty of on a number of occasions.

There will always be some thread creep...sometimes its good, interesting and fun...sometimes its like this one.
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