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Its not most of any group we are talking about.
The old 80/20 rule will probably apply here too.
the averages may sugest 85/15 in GA and 25/75 in RAA, or they could be reversed, but I doubt it.
J
Its not most of any group we are talking about.
The old 80/20 rule will probably apply here too.
the averages may sugest 85/15 in GA and 25/75 in RAA, or they could be reversed, but I doubt it.
J
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As was posted by someone earlier there is some classics from the IFR crew as well if you happen to monitor both frequencies..
"centre abc 2 min TOD xxx"
"abc NO REPORTED IFR TRAFFIC"
"all stations 126.7 xxx CTAF abc an IFR xxx is xx dme inbound on the xxx radial on decent passing FL xxx tracking direct NA for the runway xx rnav aproach estimate NA at time xx"
What the hell is billy bob in the drifter suposed to think !!!
If you have no reported traffic then who the hell are you talking to...???
should he pipe up and say "station inbound I have no idea what you are talking about but I am on a wide left base xx, on the ground in 10"
In reality you have made life so hard for them they will more likely shut up and say nothing...!
YOU are the visitor (most of the time), be friendly, courteous and speak english, you will get much further i reckon !!
"centre abc 2 min TOD xxx"
"abc NO REPORTED IFR TRAFFIC"
"all stations 126.7 xxx CTAF abc an IFR xxx is xx dme inbound on the xxx radial on decent passing FL xxx tracking direct NA for the runway xx rnav aproach estimate NA at time xx"
What the hell is billy bob in the drifter suposed to think !!!
If you have no reported traffic then who the hell are you talking to...???
should he pipe up and say "station inbound I have no idea what you are talking about but I am on a wide left base xx, on the ground in 10"
In reality you have made life so hard for them they will more likely shut up and say nothing...!
YOU are the visitor (most of the time), be friendly, courteous and speak english, you will get much further i reckon !!
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RAA and RPT?
Quite straight forward I'd have thought.
They call thirty miles. I tell 'em where I am and what I'm planning to do.
They say "got you on TCAS" and I stay clear until I've got them visual.
Courtesy and airmanship really. They're working and I'm not and it's no skin off my nose if I have to hold, change course or extend a leg of the circuit.
IMC? no thanks. I fly to enjoy it.
R/T procedure...Oh, it's terrible! you often hear things like "thanks for your help" and "have a good one..." Absolutely disgusting in a CTAF(R)
Onya REX and Eastern into YSWG
it's a pleasure to share the airspace with you.
They call thirty miles. I tell 'em where I am and what I'm planning to do.
They say "got you on TCAS" and I stay clear until I've got them visual.
Courtesy and airmanship really. They're working and I'm not and it's no skin off my nose if I have to hold, change course or extend a leg of the circuit.
IMC? no thanks. I fly to enjoy it.
R/T procedure...Oh, it's terrible! you often hear things like "thanks for your help" and "have a good one..." Absolutely disgusting in a CTAF(R)
Onya REX and Eastern into YSWG
it's a pleasure to share the airspace with you.
gee there are some brave 'jaba' drivers out there, heard a guy crossing Bass Straight this arvo, ohhhh sends chivers up my spine
not to mention the time one nearly ran out of fuel attempting the crossing in a strong northerly......then another clever jab driver flew fuel to YLEG.
Makes you wonder.....
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My own experience is that where GA and RA schools co-exist, there is a lift in the capability of both groups.
In terms of GA and RA Aus it all comes back to training and that post by Horatio was a corker. Not reasonable to blame the pilots if the training is inadequate. I have seen as many GA cowboys as I have RA Aus, and the GA ones have put me more at risk (including the RAAF when they used to come from PTCK to MB to train in traffic).
RPT - last two posters (before Koizi), good points. In my time I have had RPT try to bulldoze me out of the way and conversely let me get off before them. Again, comes back to the individual pilot, training and ATTITUDE. If you examine the NAS 2C PIR and some of the audits of airfields - those who know best are sometimes the worst "commercial expediency" the excuse.
Training, then attitude and discipline - affects all groups. No different to on the road.
Added - Koizi - fuel problems not unique to RA Aus - several incidents in past year with aircraft with two pilots up front, one at PTH
In terms of GA and RA Aus it all comes back to training and that post by Horatio was a corker. Not reasonable to blame the pilots if the training is inadequate. I have seen as many GA cowboys as I have RA Aus, and the GA ones have put me more at risk (including the RAAF when they used to come from PTCK to MB to train in traffic).
RPT - last two posters (before Koizi), good points. In my time I have had RPT try to bulldoze me out of the way and conversely let me get off before them. Again, comes back to the individual pilot, training and ATTITUDE. If you examine the NAS 2C PIR and some of the audits of airfields - those who know best are sometimes the worst "commercial expediency" the excuse.
Training, then attitude and discipline - affects all groups. No different to on the road.
Added - Koizi - fuel problems not unique to RA Aus - several incidents in past year with aircraft with two pilots up front, one at PTH
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Its not most of any group we are talking about.
the averages may sugest 85/15 in GA and 25/75 in RAA, or they could be reversed, but I doubt it.
I sometimes wonder if a lot of these so-called bad eggs storys posted arnt just a bit of a fib.....
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Gooday FB
No fibs in any of my stories at all. I wish I had time to write a few more, and recall the stories I have forgotten.
One springs to mind just now, pre NAS and straight in approaches, this guy based at YCAB in a Skyfox tail dragger would regularly do low and misaligned straight in approaches where ever he went, you know save 10c on MOGAS in his Rotax
. Yes he mad all the radio calls, joining crosswind, downwind and base. He was never there at all. And this was deliberate.
I found out who this guy was about 2 years after doing my training. Funny thing was At the same time I was describing how a guy who was according to his radio broadcast over the Bribie Island bridge at 2000' was within 1 minute almost at Caloundra......at 2000 feet direct opposite track of me and 45feet to my right and nearly hit me. Now its a D area and training area, I know, but he did not broadcast correctly then, and he was not obliged to. Then we started comparing notes and guess who?? Same bloke.
I am told that his idea of airframe repairs is to bend it back and paint over it......... now these I can not substaniate, but a lot of locals can.
Is this the kind of guy you want getting a CTA endo..... and perhaps on the sly?
Maybe I am worried about nothing, maybe Horatio Leafblower can tell some stories like this?
No fibs here FB. I have no need to expand the truth, the truth is entertaining enough as it is!
J
No fibs in any of my stories at all. I wish I had time to write a few more, and recall the stories I have forgotten.
One springs to mind just now, pre NAS and straight in approaches, this guy based at YCAB in a Skyfox tail dragger would regularly do low and misaligned straight in approaches where ever he went, you know save 10c on MOGAS in his Rotax
. Yes he mad all the radio calls, joining crosswind, downwind and base. He was never there at all. And this was deliberate.I found out who this guy was about 2 years after doing my training. Funny thing was At the same time I was describing how a guy who was according to his radio broadcast over the Bribie Island bridge at 2000' was within 1 minute almost at Caloundra......at 2000 feet direct opposite track of me and 45feet to my right and nearly hit me. Now its a D area and training area, I know, but he did not broadcast correctly then, and he was not obliged to. Then we started comparing notes and guess who?? Same bloke.
I am told that his idea of airframe repairs is to bend it back and paint over it......... now these I can not substaniate, but a lot of locals can.
Is this the kind of guy you want getting a CTA endo..... and perhaps on the sly?
Maybe I am worried about nothing, maybe Horatio Leafblower can tell some stories like this?
No fibs here FB. I have no need to expand the truth, the truth is entertaining enough as it is!
J
Atleast RA-Aus instructors aren't stupid enough to get caught taking MDMA !
...but I suppose that dont happen much any more.
Edit - and heres me thinking MDMA was just a miss-print
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No fibs in any of my stories at all.
Is this the kind of guy you want getting a CTA endo..... and perhaps on the sly?
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Perhaps on the sly........... well not to standard, just read back about BFR's being issued just based on the fact you flew in to the airfield in one piece.
Who knows. With standards like that..... you just do not know. Sure it could happen in GA with a slack ATO but very much less likely.
J
Who knows. With standards like that..... you just do not know. Sure it could happen in GA with a slack ATO but very much less likely.
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Professionals?
Last I checked this was the 'professional' pilots rumour network.......not a sledging match for weekend warriors and RAAus pros. This kind of thread is why most professional pilots (you know the students, instructors and charter guys) give this place a wide berth. Mods must be on holiday. If I wasnt stuck at work on reserve bored out of my mind.....actually that still cant justify wasting time here. 
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Last I looked a very high percentage of contributors here do this for a living. The others in GA are pretty serious about what we do when we take to the sky.
Of those posting that are flying PVT OPS most average 150-400 hours a year and not in drifters either. This is not an armchair quarterback sledging session.
I know for a fact this was not meant to be an anti-RAA thread, however when a few factual events are revealed it would possibly look that way.
Thanks for your concern all the same.
J
Last I looked a very high percentage of contributors here do this for a living. The others in GA are pretty serious about what we do when we take to the sky.
Of those posting that are flying PVT OPS most average 150-400 hours a year and not in drifters either. This is not an armchair quarterback sledging session.
I know for a fact this was not meant to be an anti-RAA thread, however when a few factual events are revealed it would possibly look that way.
Thanks for your concern all the same.
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Spot on
I think FNG was so intent on displaying his high status he forgot the title of this area D & G General Aviation & Questions
I put my feelings above about the problem existing through all levels - even to the 'professionals' - if any one of any of the three groups reflects on their own airmanship and lifts their game, this thread has served a useful purpose.
It's like the safety seminars - the ones there aren't the ones who need to be there - it's the ones who know it all who should take their places
Spot on
I think FNG was so intent on displaying his high status he forgot the title of this area D & G General Aviation & Questions
I put my feelings above about the problem existing through all levels - even to the 'professionals' - if any one of any of the three groups reflects on their own airmanship and lifts their game, this thread has served a useful purpose.
It's like the safety seminars - the ones there aren't the ones who need to be there - it's the ones who know it all who should take their places
Atleast RA-Aus instructors aren't stupid enough to get caught taking MDMA !
I've seen two RAAus instructors flying after drinking and there is at least one RAAus pilot at my local aeroclub who smokes dope "theraputically" for pain relief (must be ina lot of pain
) .You just stay smug there, XXX.
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good ole GA cowboys at it again, 3 aircraft joining circuit on base at Hoxton.. so much for the 4 legs of the circuit requirement, but at least this time they used the radio.
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