Overwing exits
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Overwing exits
Hi all
I've just been doing a bit of paxing on 2 holers. The nice people at check in gave me an overwing exit each time and the CC did everything right as far as the regs were concerned, including a very thorough briefing that even an EP instructor would have been proud of.
However on each occasion the other pax at the exits were drinking alchohol on board ,which made me wonder. If even the cleaner is to be tested for drugs and alcohol , how is it that passengers in control of an over wing exit are not covered by these rules. I suspect a drunk pax opening a door on the fire side of a burning aircraft has the potential to do more harm than a cleaner who doesnt clean the back of a set properly???
Wunwing
I've just been doing a bit of paxing on 2 holers. The nice people at check in gave me an overwing exit each time and the CC did everything right as far as the regs were concerned, including a very thorough briefing that even an EP instructor would have been proud of.
However on each occasion the other pax at the exits were drinking alchohol on board ,which made me wonder. If even the cleaner is to be tested for drugs and alcohol , how is it that passengers in control of an over wing exit are not covered by these rules. I suspect a drunk pax opening a door on the fire side of a burning aircraft has the potential to do more harm than a cleaner who doesnt clean the back of a set properly???
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Just like to add at QF Pax seated at the overwing exits are entitled to drink alcohol provided responsible service of alcohol is followed. So not an oversight if this was the airline in question.
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My point is that it appears that the overwing pax are not covered by the alcohol rule when they are in a position to do damage, but a cleaner etc who can do little damage are fully covered under the new rules. Which just seems to indicate that the new drug rules have not been thought out very well.
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Gawd, I was trying so hard to stay out of this nonsense...
wunwing: it's pretty apparent to me (should be to you also) that the cleaner you cite in your example whilst on-board the aircraft in the course of their duties, is at work, and is as such subject to all the rules and conditions in the OH&S act amongst others. They further have a duty of care to present at their place of work "free from the effects of alcohol or other drugs" -or whatever phraseology is currently in use.
The passenger occupying the seat adjacent to an over-wing exit however, is not.
Can we please put this puerile discussion to bed now???
wunwing: it's pretty apparent to me (should be to you also) that the cleaner you cite in your example whilst on-board the aircraft in the course of their duties, is at work, and is as such subject to all the rules and conditions in the OH&S act amongst others. They further have a duty of care to present at their place of work "free from the effects of alcohol or other drugs" -or whatever phraseology is currently in use.
The passenger occupying the seat adjacent to an over-wing exit however, is not.
Can we please put this puerile discussion to bed now???
Ok I'll bite.
I think the regulations that allow pax to operate emergency exit door's as a matter of normal procedures leave a great deal to be desired.
Example 1 On a flight OOL to ADL I had a number of members of a bike gang who with their new founded wealth were able to purchase seats anywhere on the a/c - specifically the emergency exit rows. In addition to making absolute tossers of themselves two had to be physically shaken to wake them up after the complete a/c had been unloaded.
Example 2 Sitting next to a pax in an emergency exit row the F/A dutifully went through the CASA approved briefing.
Are there any questions she asked?
Are you willing to assist in an emergency?
'YES' was the confident answer knowing that a NO would send him spiraling into the abyss of the rear of the aircraft to an alternative seat
As the F/A left he looked to me and said "what was the bit about a fire or flames outside".............
Jesus Wept!
For all those who think even a sober passenger is not going to do anything except pull the handle and GTFO then more fool you.
CASA has caved in to affordable safety and the demands of the Airlines.
Passenger safety is the looser!
Whilst flying for a 'third world airline' it was our POLICY to sit an F/A in the emergency exit row at all times to control the passengers in an emergency.
First world airlines could learn a few things!
Have I raised my concerns with my company - Yes
Have I raised my concerns with CASA - Yes
Have I raised my concerns with my union - Yes
Its a great shame that when a safety issue is raised within this so called professional forum it is so easily dragged into the gutter with such ease.
"Puerile nonsense"...depends where you’re sitting! (and possibly what your reading)
Have a good day
I think the regulations that allow pax to operate emergency exit door's as a matter of normal procedures leave a great deal to be desired.
Example 1 On a flight OOL to ADL I had a number of members of a bike gang who with their new founded wealth were able to purchase seats anywhere on the a/c - specifically the emergency exit rows. In addition to making absolute tossers of themselves two had to be physically shaken to wake them up after the complete a/c had been unloaded.
Example 2 Sitting next to a pax in an emergency exit row the F/A dutifully went through the CASA approved briefing.
Are there any questions she asked?
Are you willing to assist in an emergency?
'YES' was the confident answer knowing that a NO would send him spiraling into the abyss of the rear of the aircraft to an alternative seat
As the F/A left he looked to me and said "what was the bit about a fire or flames outside".............
Jesus Wept!
For all those who think even a sober passenger is not going to do anything except pull the handle and GTFO then more fool you.
CASA has caved in to affordable safety and the demands of the Airlines.
Passenger safety is the looser!
Whilst flying for a 'third world airline' it was our POLICY to sit an F/A in the emergency exit row at all times to control the passengers in an emergency.
First world airlines could learn a few things!
Have I raised my concerns with my company - Yes
Have I raised my concerns with CASA - Yes
Have I raised my concerns with my union - Yes
Its a great shame that when a safety issue is raised within this so called professional forum it is so easily dragged into the gutter with such ease.
"Puerile nonsense"...depends where you’re sitting! (and possibly what your reading)
Have a good day
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I agree with wunwing on this. I'm old. Everytime I've bought the exit row seat on Virgin no-one has queried that. If there was an emergency I'll be the body on the floor with a hundred sets of foot prints in it, because it would take me a minute to get out on my bleein' own.
So while wunwing is right, being told some day soon yer too old piss off is not going to make me happy.
So while wunwing is right, being told some day soon yer too old piss off is not going to make me happy.
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That was the case with me. Plus a proper briefing in the seat for me and others in same row. Maybe being old but looking like I don't take no for an answer is the trick. I do understand what I'm supposed to do, but ending up in the carpet as a burned trampled crisp is not how I want it to end, so it might be time to book elsewhere.
After following some of the topics here you'd have to believe the Virgins are going out of business, Qantas will either be off the route or on the ground waiting for repairs, or it will be all Jetstar. I'd die in a ditch before flying Jetstar.
After following some of the topics here you'd have to believe the Virgins are going out of business, Qantas will either be off the route or on the ground waiting for repairs, or it will be all Jetstar. I'd die in a ditch before flying Jetstar.
