Flight Note amendment
VH mick, it seems to me that you want to remain outside the system until such time as you need it. It doesn't really work that way does it? If you want to use a Flight Note then you have to live with the limitations that it imposes on you if you can't contact the person holding your details. If you want ATS to provide some kind of service, then you should file a plan, nominate a Sartime, and use the system properly.
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I thought the majority of VFR flights use flight Notes....[Who amends them]...When the responsible person you left the flight note with advises AusSAR that the sartime which they held for you had elapsed.
Can I help you get a message to them as an ATC, well yes I probably could, just ask. But giving me a flight plan amendment in the blind, which is what I assumed you meant ain’t going to get us squat.
MCK: “Centre MCK request”
Centre: “MCK Pass your message”
MCK: “Centre MCK flight plan amendment”
Centre: “MCK Standby” {me looking in box for your plan, which I can’t find}
Centre: “MCK Did you put a plan in”
MCK: “Ahh no just left a Flightnote with the wife”
Centre: “MCK so what do you want me to do?”
MCK: “Acknowledge my amendment”
Centre: “Go ahead details”... etc.
Then after all that what am I doing with the information? Well, I’ll put it on my console log. In the event of something going wrong will AUSSAR see my log, well yes, maybe after seconding it somewhere between 12 hours after you go missing to 5 days after, if they think it necessary.
Are you suggesting that submitting details by naips is a waste time and that it is better to submit via radio?
VFRs that plan to avoid Class C don’t get into our system unless we ask for them, they are filtered to save operational memory thus keeping the elephant running faster; ie VFR requesting a RIS in E is time consuming to get the plan up and running, even if you did put a plan in.
So your saying that nobody will check ATS tapes?
As an ATC I’ve never been asked to amend a flightnote that I can recall anyway; and generally speaking I hope I don’t have to. As far as this ATS is concerned it’s not in our system, we aren’t geared up to do anything about it etc. I would consider it with the same priority as a fuel order for arrival at your next aerodrome; tell someone else please, nothing to do with ATS. If I’m doing nothing I might dig out ERSA and find the number and ask my boss to make the call, we aren’t allowed to make non-operational calls at our consoles, and maybe I can get a message through... But don’t expect that during a rush.
For those XXXX wits that are too arrogant to want to help - would you prefer to go back to full reporting for most VFR flights? I'm quite happy to operate to those procedures again - just remind me how to do it. Or are you ready to take a heap of SARTIME nominations and cancellations by radio - lets say at a guess on BN CEN 135.5 alone the local operators would generate up around a couple of hundred sectors a day?
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By flight note I mean the form as per AIP ENR 1.10-23.
If, on the other hand, you propose a flight plan amendment, and finish it off with "no change to SARTIME" and the change does not affect a clearance I will write it on my pad provided for that purpose, not suspecting the naughty (and irrelevant) truth. It will be retained for 30 days, which would be looked for and acted upon when yer Mum raises the alarm, within a day or two anyhow. Even if you did have a flight plan in the system I can't necessarily get at it if it doesn't affect ATC, it is supposed to be filtered into an electronic box somewhere.
