Kiwi pilot shortage
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Remoak
The Airnsn 50 If thing is possibly a hang over from years ago when the NZ dollar was a lot weaker and a lot of guys were doing contract work overseas in Africa ect.. had a few with good time struggle abit not as you say with NZ IF but maybe best described as ICAO IF procedures and with a greater pool of pilots ANSN could be a lot more choosy but as Dylan said "times are a changing"
Maybe they may have other reasons like shows people have work rights in NZ, and people who have been away show a real commitment to being back in NZ not just putting their CV in the "pot"
There are probably many reasons not just the 50hr IF
Besides giving jobs to Kiwi pilots not being flooded with expats??
Overseas time; the Last NZ company I worked for more than half the crew had lived and worked in all parts of the world for many years form corporate Jets to Otters on floats and was/is looked on favourably in the recruiting process.
"overseas'' time is looked upon and great experience and not just the flying but personal development ect
NZ aviation is what it is, but having flown overseas I can assure you will not be the reason you can't get a job.. good luck Dude
The Airnsn 50 If thing is possibly a hang over from years ago when the NZ dollar was a lot weaker and a lot of guys were doing contract work overseas in Africa ect.. had a few with good time struggle abit not as you say with NZ IF but maybe best described as ICAO IF procedures and with a greater pool of pilots ANSN could be a lot more choosy but as Dylan said "times are a changing"
Maybe they may have other reasons like shows people have work rights in NZ, and people who have been away show a real commitment to being back in NZ not just putting their CV in the "pot"
There are probably many reasons not just the 50hr IF
Besides giving jobs to Kiwi pilots not being flooded with expats??
Overseas time; the Last NZ company I worked for more than half the crew had lived and worked in all parts of the world for many years form corporate Jets to Otters on floats and was/is looked on favourably in the recruiting process.
"overseas'' time is looked upon and great experience and not just the flying but personal development ect
NZ aviation is what it is, but having flown overseas I can assure you will not be the reason you can't get a job.. good luck Dude
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Kiwiblue
Well feel free to not read it then - even better, don't comment.
Ah, but I did. And a lot further than BN2s. Your personal attack is noted though. Grow up yourself.
Cpt Link Hog
Well I'm not looking for one, and in any case I never said that overseas experience precludes one from getting a job. I was merely pointing out the discriminatory practices of one airline.
Anyway, you guys clearly think it's OK so I'll leave you to it. Getting boring now...
I for one am sick of hearing it.
because you didn't make it
Cpt Link Hog
but having flown overseas I can assure you will not be the reason you can't get a job
Anyway, you guys clearly think it's OK so I'll leave you to it. Getting boring now...
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Originally Posted by remoak
...so I'll leave you to it.
Originally Posted by remoak
And a lot further than BN2s.
Originally Posted by remoak
Your personal attack is noted though.
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I can assure you skysurfin's comments regarding hiring at pac blue and jetconnect are on the mark. There is one who got in recently with just over 1000 hours, but many in the low to mid 2000's. He's one of them, I'm one of them, and we both know plenty more.
There are also plenty of guys coming back from the likes of Ryanair, Easyjet, and even Emirates for DECs.
The jobs are there for anyone willing to pull themselves away from whining on PPRuNe and go and get them.
I can assure you skysurfin's comments regarding hiring at pac blue and jetconnect are on the mark. There is one who got in recently with just over 1000 hours, but many in the low to mid 2000's. He's one of them, I'm one of them, and we both know plenty more.
There are also plenty of guys coming back from the likes of Ryanair, Easyjet, and even Emirates for DECs.
The jobs are there for anyone willing to pull themselves away from whining on PPRuNe and go and get them.
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Hey Remoak,
This quote above was in relation to the amount of guys getting into Jetconnect, Pac Blue and Jetstar.
Why don't you pull your head out and take a look around.
Jetconnect are screaming for guys.
Pac Blue are taking Jetconnects pilots and still screaming for guys.
Jetstar reckon they will take hundreds of pilots to crew the A320 and B787. Christchurch happens to be located in New Zealand and will be affected by this movement.
And you have demonstrated your complete lack of any knowledge of the industry in Australiasia to state that there are only single digit requirements!
Mate you need to come on down for a visit some time....get the real story.
Very, very few are achieving that - I am sure the number is single digits. Friends of the HR manager etc.
Why don't you pull your head out and take a look around.
Jetconnect are screaming for guys.
Pac Blue are taking Jetconnects pilots and still screaming for guys.
Jetstar reckon they will take hundreds of pilots to crew the A320 and B787. Christchurch happens to be located in New Zealand and will be affected by this movement.
And you have demonstrated your complete lack of any knowledge of the industry in Australiasia to state that there are only single digit requirements!
Mate you need to come on down for a visit some time....get the real story.
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remoak - the more 
you talk the more it makes yourself look like you really don't know whats going on in nz.
If you were trying to give something back to aviation perhaps you would stop moaning and say something positive.
The fact is all the link carriers are hiring, Air nz has had interviews last week and have more in november, and all the GA employers that I know of are hiring. So things are looking pretty good for kiwi pilots I think.
you talk the more it makes yourself look like you really don't know whats going on in nz.If you were trying to give something back to aviation perhaps you would stop moaning and say something positive.
The fact is all the link carriers are hiring, Air nz has had interviews last week and have more in november, and all the GA employers that I know of are hiring. So things are looking pretty good for kiwi pilots I think.
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KIWIBLUE
Now, now boys. Play nicely.
This may come as some surprise to you, but not everyone considers an ATPL and command of a sky-god vessel the Holy Grail of aviation. There are more than a few of us that actually enjoy hands-on 100% of the time operation, down in amongst the terrain and wx. Don't judge me by your poor standards.
Now, now boys. Play nicely.
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Oh alright then... still nothing on the box so...
Kiwiblue
Otherwise known as "couldn't get into the airlines"... lol
6080 ft
If that's your definition of "pretty good", you need to get out more.
Cloud Cutter
How many, exactly?
Iceblock
I was there a few weeks ago. I did. It isn't what you are saying, that's for sure.
I think that's everybody...?
Kiwiblue
There are more than a few of us that actually enjoy hands-on 100% of the time operation, down in amongst the terrain and wx.
6080 ft
The fact is all the link carriers are hiring, Air nz has had interviews last week and have more in november, and all the GA employers that I know of are hiring. So things are looking pretty good for kiwi pilots I think.
Cloud Cutter
we both know plenty more.
Iceblock
Mate you need to come on down for a visit some time....get the real story
I think that's everybody...?
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OK - lets do each other then!
Nike - you obviously have some sort of problem with attitude, do you know what you're talking about? I'm guessing you are a wannabe who never made it. Grow up. Don't you know anything?
How's that? Your turn!
Nike - you obviously have some sort of problem with attitude, do you know what you're talking about? I'm guessing you are a wannabe who never made it. Grow up. Don't you know anything?
How's that? Your turn!
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remoak
I'd say around half of the non jet rated new hires recently have been under 3000 hrs, and this is continuing.
horserun
I'll post it here incase anyone else is interested.
When I got the call I had around 2500 total, 1700 multi, 450 multi PIC. There are guys who've been called up with less than that, and some without any multi-crew command time.
kiwi chick
If you and nike must insist on doing each other in a public forum, can you please post pictures, ta
I'd say around half of the non jet rated new hires recently have been under 3000 hrs, and this is continuing.
horserun
I'll post it here incase anyone else is interested.
When I got the call I had around 2500 total, 1700 multi, 450 multi PIC. There are guys who've been called up with less than that, and some without any multi-crew command time.
kiwi chick
If you and nike must insist on doing each other in a public forum, can you please post pictures, ta
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Originally Posted by remoak
Otherwise known as "couldn't get into the airlines"... lol
. But no, it's quite a lot simpler than that...I just never bothered applying.
I realised a long time ago that the world is full of arseholes (just like you) and the thought of being on the left- or right-hand side of an arsehole (just like you) for 18 interminable hours would steal all the joy that aviation brings.
The bright & shiny jets don't float my boat, I've seen pretty much most of the world -in a lot more detail that you'll ever see in a 2-3 day lay-over and I love my work -and almost all of the people who's paths I cross during the course of my day. In 30 years it has never made me as cynical or jaded as you so plainly are -and there's no chip on my shoulder either! I just checked! There's probably been plenty of reason to get cynical and jaded over the years -GA is not easy, but then someone tells me to go flying... and by the time I get back, the issues/problems of the day seem to have taken on a more manageable proportion
In many, many more ways than one, I'm so lucky that I didn't lemming-like follow the path into the 'majors'. I chose my own path, still get a helluva lot of satisfaction out of it.
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Tee hee. Massive thread drift.
kiwiblue is right though. Maybe without the personal bits
I like sitting in the middle. I prefer a stick to a wheel. I don't mind the trees and wires.
Airlines are ok, if that is what you are into.
To assume anyone who isn't is a reject is incorrect.
kiwiblue is right though. Maybe without the personal bits
I like sitting in the middle. I prefer a stick to a wheel. I don't mind the trees and wires.
Airlines are ok, if that is what you are into.
To assume anyone who isn't is a reject is incorrect.
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Sorry but im not just going to sit back and watch this idiot get personal to everyone who has had something useful to say on this site.
Remoak Heres what I think (and I dont think Im alone)........
Seems to me you either have a bung TV or none at all, because you basically live on pprune returning all the abuse you clearly deserve. Your obviously one of those runty guys (or fat) with no mates who lives through your online profile.
Doesnt appear to me that anyone in New Zealand knows what your talking about, were you referring to yourself? ie. you missed the boat a LONG time ago
Whats your definiton of pretty good Remoak, sitting at home whinging on PPrune whilst trying to fill that big chip off your shoulder
I assume you are wondering how many people on this site hate you and would like to see you removed? hundreds if not thousands
And we are all stoked that you didnt stay......... I could just see the Tui add if Remoak flew in your company- "Awesome Im flying with Remoak tommorrow-Yeah Right"
Im sure everyone else feels the same
Remoak Heres what I think (and I dont think Im alone)........
Oh alright then... still nothing on the box so...
Otherwise known as "couldn't get into the airlines"...
If that's your definition of "pretty good", you need to get out more
How many, exactly?
I was there a few weeks ago
Im sure everyone else feels the same
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Kiwi Blue
ROTFPML
Nice to see there are some sensible people here who see it and/or us for what it is. Now, over to the OTHER thread where we're being bashed...
Will be right back, just off to defend my honour.
I just never bothered applying.
Nice to see there are some sensible people here who see it and/or us for what it is. Now, over to the OTHER thread where we're being bashed...
Will be right back, just off to defend my honour.
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