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I asked this question a little while ago about metro specs but can someone send me the specs to a Chieftain. Speeds, weights usable fuel in mains / auxes
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Ha bizzybody,
speed in cruise 180kts some as fast as 190 some as slow as 170. MTOW 3181kg. EMPTY 1963kg. FUEL 690lts 160lts per hr. figures will vary from a/c to a/c a fair bit. PM if you need more
speed in cruise 180kts some as fast as 190 some as slow as 170. MTOW 3181kg. EMPTY 1963kg. FUEL 690lts 160lts per hr. figures will vary from a/c to a/c a fair bit. PM if you need more
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VG kits give a considerable increase in MTOW, but no increase in landing weight.
The above weight is a non VG kitted aircraft I think, please don't flame me if I am wrong, it has been 8 years...
The above weight is a non VG kitted aircraft I think, please don't flame me if I am wrong, it has been 8 years...
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Yeah, and if you gather an array of small metal tabs together and put them on the tops of the wings, call it a "VG kit" you can then takeoff at 3342kg. Then, if you get some red paint and apply it to the gear struts, you can land them at 3342kg as well. 
Otherwise, the MLW sits around the 3175 mark, from memory.
I can't remember whether it had a MZFW limit or what it was, been a few months now.
520.
Otherwise, the MLW sits around the 3175 mark, from memory.
I can't remember whether it had a MZFW limit or what it was, been a few months now.
520.
Having just come off them (thank god!), can give the following:
MTOW (VG Kitted, with the appropriate number of VG's) - 3342kg's
MRW - 3360kg's (I think, don't hold me to that entirely)
MLW (non red legged) - 3175kg's
BEW, variable of course, but somewhere in the vicinity of 1950-2150kg's, all dependant upon configs etc. etc.
No max zero fuel weight
Fuel capacity - Mains - 402L, Aux - 288L. Some are fitted with nacelle tanks, however never having flown one with them, unsure as to the capacity of them.
Fuel burn varies. Can be anywhere from 200L/hr (block) over short sectors, to 140L-160L/hr over long cruise sectors. However just your average sectors (ie. 1-2hrs), average burn would be around 160-175L/hr, plus about 10-15L for taxi. Now let's see how many different figures people will come up with for that!
Cruise TAS, good workable figure is 165-170kts. Not much faster or I think you'll be suitably depressed when you find you're not getting it,
. However, if you are empty, and can get some good height on a reasonable day, you may be able to push it up to 175-180 if you're lucky.
Power settings varies from company to company I think. But a common one I've found, and the setting's we used were 31" manifold, 2,200Rpm, for cruise, 39", 2,400Rpm for climb. However, consult the POH for the appropriate (ie. 65%, 75% etc.) settings. Over the fence, if you're at MLW, wouldn't want to use much below about 25". Depends how good you are at managing your descent profiles I guess, and your speed management.
Climb performance (or rather descent performance,
) on one donk is absolutely incredibly audaciously dismal. Empty you'll almost struggle on one donk. So hope for a nice thermally day for your engine failure to happen, 
.
Overall though, she can lift a pretty good load, and after a hundred hours or so in the things, you'll learn to pole it around quite well.
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MTOW (VG Kitted, with the appropriate number of VG's) - 3342kg's
MRW - 3360kg's (I think, don't hold me to that entirely)
MLW (non red legged) - 3175kg's
BEW, variable of course, but somewhere in the vicinity of 1950-2150kg's, all dependant upon configs etc. etc.
No max zero fuel weight
Fuel capacity - Mains - 402L, Aux - 288L. Some are fitted with nacelle tanks, however never having flown one with them, unsure as to the capacity of them.
Fuel burn varies. Can be anywhere from 200L/hr (block) over short sectors, to 140L-160L/hr over long cruise sectors. However just your average sectors (ie. 1-2hrs), average burn would be around 160-175L/hr, plus about 10-15L for taxi. Now let's see how many different figures people will come up with for that!
Cruise TAS, good workable figure is 165-170kts. Not much faster or I think you'll be suitably depressed when you find you're not getting it,
. However, if you are empty, and can get some good height on a reasonable day, you may be able to push it up to 175-180 if you're lucky.Power settings varies from company to company I think. But a common one I've found, and the setting's we used were 31" manifold, 2,200Rpm, for cruise, 39", 2,400Rpm for climb. However, consult the POH for the appropriate (ie. 65%, 75% etc.) settings. Over the fence, if you're at MLW, wouldn't want to use much below about 25". Depends how good you are at managing your descent profiles I guess, and your speed management.
Climb performance (or rather descent performance,
) on one donk is absolutely incredibly audaciously dismal. Empty you'll almost struggle on one donk. So hope for a nice thermally day for your engine failure to happen, .Overall though, she can lift a pretty good load, and after a hundred hours or so in the things, you'll learn to pole it around quite well.
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The following is from Wikipedia - and is neither manufacturer nor CASA approved! 
bizzybody. In operating a PA31-350 (or any other aircraft) may I recommend very strongly that you refer solely to the Pilot Operating Handbook, not the various information you may obtain from PPRuNe or any other source.
Specifications (PA-31-350 Chieftain)
General characteristics
It really is surprising what information you can get from a simple one minute Google search!
bizzybody. In operating a PA31-350 (or any other aircraft) may I recommend very strongly that you refer solely to the Pilot Operating Handbook, not the various information you may obtain from PPRuNe or any other source.
Specifications (PA-31-350 Chieftain)
General characteristics
- Crew: 1, possibly 2 depending on regulations operated under
- Capacity: 8 passengers
- Length: ft in (m)
- Wingspan: 40 ft 8 in (12.40 m)
- Height: 13 ft (3.96 m)
- Wing area: 229 ft² (21.28 m²)
- Empty weight: 4,003 lb (1,817 kg)
- Useful load: 2,533 lb (1,150 kg)
- Max takeoff weight: 7,000 lb (3,175 kg)
- Maximum Ramp Weight: 7,045 lb (3,195kg)
- Powerplant: 2× Lycoming TIO-540-J2BD , 350 hp (260 kW) each
- Propellers: with a constant speed, controllable pitch, fully feathering, Hartzell propeller
- Never exceed speed: 236 knots (272 mph, 437 km/h) indicated
- Maximum speed: 188 knots (216 mph, 348 km/h) indicated
- Cruise speed: 178 knots (205 mph, 330 km/h) true
- Stall speed: 77 knots (89 mph, 143 km/h) indicated
- Range: 1,025 nm (1,180 mi, 1,900 km)
- Service ceiling: 24,000 ft (7,300 m)
It really is surprising what information you can get from a simple one minute Google search!
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I gree about the POH but im asking because i dont have a Chieftain yet i am trying to figure out if i need one.
I did a google search and got all the info you posted but it is a bit too general. I want to hear it for people that have operated in them. Real World specs
but thanks everyone for the info
I did a google search and got all the info you posted but it is a bit too general. I want to hear it for people that have operated in them. Real World specs
but thanks everyone for the info
Whether or not you need to buy one? Or whether or not you need the endorsement?? 
Put simply, you'd be better off buying a 402C if it's for personal use. If you're not operating it commercially, you can pick up one that hasn't had SID's completed yet (well, I'd say 99% would by now, could be the odd one or two that haven't though) relatively cheap. Carries just as much, if not more than the Chieftain, and performs better. Also roomier.
morno
Put simply, you'd be better off buying a 402C if it's for personal use. If you're not operating it commercially, you can pick up one that hasn't had SID's completed yet (well, I'd say 99% would by now, could be the odd one or two that haven't though) relatively cheap. Carries just as much, if not more than the Chieftain, and performs better. Also roomier.
morno
Yeah but if you need to carry 10 people at least in the chieftain you don't have to be sexually compatible with the bloke sitting between your legs in front of you like you do in a 402.
402 is a great 8 seater.
402 is a great 8 seater.
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Im not endorsed on either of them and they are for commercial purposes. Im not endorsed on it but then again im not the pilots that fly them.
I disregarded the 402 because i didnt think it was a real 8 seater so to speak and you had to watch the loading a little more than the chieftain
I disregarded the 402 because i didnt think it was a real 8 seater so to speak and you had to watch the loading a little more than the chieftain
It is possible to fit 10 people into a 402C. Actually I can nearly assure you that you could carry those 10 people over a greater distance than the Chieftain loaded up with 10 people.
The loading in the 402 is fine provided you've got a bit of stuff up the front in the nose locker. Much more baggage space than the Chieftain as well.
I'd be going a 402C before I'd be going for a Chieftain!
morno
The loading in the 402 is fine provided you've got a bit of stuff up the front in the nose locker. Much more baggage space than the Chieftain as well.
I'd be going a 402C before I'd be going for a Chieftain!
morno
Yes it is possible to fit 10 people in a 402, but unless they are very petite they will be very uncomfortable over the greater distance you can carry them in a 402 versus a chieftain.
