Gr.1 or Charter.
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Which is more important getting a Gr.1 with META and a few hundred hours of twin flying in a Duchess or Seminole or a Gr.2 with 500 hours twin?
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charter charter charter charter!
I mean instructing *cough* dont need anymore competition do i?
Its kinda funny though, back in the flying school days you would ask a instructor if they had charter, they would always say yes! then you would say what doing, and they would say joyflights few scenics were charter etc.....
I count charter as point A to point B with fare paying pax then hanging around a stinking hot airfield under a tree reading atpl theory books while waiting for them to return as charter
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I mean instructing *cough* dont need anymore competition do i?
Its kinda funny though, back in the flying school days you would ask a instructor if they had charter, they would always say yes! then you would say what doing, and they would say joyflights few scenics were charter etc.....
I count charter as point A to point B with fare paying pax then hanging around a stinking hot airfield under a tree reading atpl theory books while waiting for them to return as charter
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New to this pprine thingy, but if all are to be believed about charter being the be all and end all, where do we get the grade 1 instructors to train the girls and boys to go to charter. seems to me that some people have their head in the sand (or should that be clouds?), because if it was all for charter there simply wouldn't be the teachers to get them there.
Right or wrong?
Right or wrong?
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New to this pprine thingy, but if all are to be believed about charter being the be all and end all, where do we get the grade 1 instructors to train the girls and boys to go to charter. seems to me that some people have their head in the sand (or should that be clouds?), because if it was all for charter there simply wouldn't be the teachers to get them there.
Right or wrong?
Right or wrong?
If you want to be an airline pilot, go bush, good times! although today i spent it washing aircraft in the stinking hot followed by the bosses car
where the instructor crew are in the aircon studying their ATPL's when no flying is on, so they both have their merits!
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Correct but you want experienced career instructors, not grade 3 such as myself who merely used it for a few hours!
If you want to be an airline pilot, go bush, good times! although today i spent it washing aircraft in the stinking hot followed by the bosses car where the instructor crew are in the aircon studying their ATPL's when no flying is on, so they both have their merits!
If you want to be an airline pilot, go bush, good times! although today i spent it washing aircraft in the stinking hot followed by the bosses car
where the instructor crew are in the aircon studying their ATPL's when no flying is on, so they both have their merits!Exactly my point 4SPOOLED, if all do as you say you do/did, where will the grade 1's & 2's come from. There must be some, all be it a minority, who feel that instructing is a worthwhile profession. If these poor souls don't carry on with their dreams of imparting knowledge onto fresh young (or old!) soon to be pilots, the Red Kangaroo and others like it will eventually feel the pinch.
I sure hope that some of these legends keep on keeping on, and don't fall for the "we are better than you" idealology that seems to be being adopted by too many of the so called "CHARTER PILOTS". By this I mean those who think their career is the only way to the pointy end of a A380/747 etc. Somebody had to show them the way from the beginning, and these instructors deserve a vote of thanks for doing this, especially given that they have to cop critiscism for there efforts from the very people they launched into the wild blue yonder.
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Its quite refreshing to see a new ppruner storm on to the site and whip up storm.
In a perfect world it would be great to see instructors with heaps of charter experience but hey, its GA.
I'm sure that there are a few instructors out there with no charter experience that are very good at what they do, the main concern I have heard from a friend starting out is the he doesn't feel confident when his 280hr instructor cant do what he teaches.
I have not had the same problems my friend has had so it may not be a wide spread problem.
Booya
Its quite refreshing to see a new ppruner storm on to the site and whip up storm.
In a perfect world it would be great to see instructors with heaps of charter experience but hey, its GA.
I'm sure that there are a few instructors out there with no charter experience that are very good at what they do, the main concern I have heard from a friend starting out is the he doesn't feel confident when his 280hr instructor cant do what he teaches.
I have not had the same problems my friend has had so it may not be a wide spread problem.
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Its quite refreshing to see a new ppruner storm on to the site and whip up storm.
In a perfect world it would be great to see instructors with heaps of charter experience but hey, its GA.
I'm sure that there are a few instructors out there with no charter experience that are very good at what they do, the main concern I have heard from a friend starting out is the he doesn't feel confident when his 280hr instructor cant do what he teaches.
I have not had the same problems my friend has had so it may not be a wide spread problem.
Booya
Its quite refreshing to see a new ppruner storm on to the site and whip up storm.
In a perfect world it would be great to see instructors with heaps of charter experience but hey, its GA.
I'm sure that there are a few instructors out there with no charter experience that are very good at what they do, the main concern I have heard from a friend starting out is the he doesn't feel confident when his 280hr instructor cant do what he teaches.
I have not had the same problems my friend has had so it may not be a wide spread problem.
Booya
DMS,
Yes a perfect world would make life much easier. I am sure (hope!) your friends experience was a one off, but I guess some people slip through the net. If they were properly taught, and you can only assume that this is the case when they add "Grade 3 Instructor" to the resume, the experiences of your friend should never happen.
The whole point I am trying to make, and you were obviously smart enough to see this, is that you have to start somewhere. No grade 1's, means no grade 2's, means no grade 3's. Whilst this might save your friend from his bad experience, it sure won't help to produce pilots of any description.
What about all of those knockers of "Instructing" re-thinking their ideals and giving the people who do devote their careers to teaching pilots, a fair go. I know a few (1's, 2's & 3's) who just want to teach, and I reckon they are a dedicted, hard working lot. You may think sitting on a hot dry and remote runway is a cr*p way to spend time and build hours, but a job that has to be done to advance, but these instructors do it hard in other ways. Fresh out of high school, self opinionated students, who think they know it all. Parents who think Johnny or Jill is the best and won't take any advice to the contrary. Taxing hours to suit students timetables. I guess they do get a bit of Air Conditioning, though I think with the crap they deal with they deserve some creature comforts.
Cheers, and good luck to all of you, whatever you decide to do, justdon't knock the teachers or their chosen vocation.
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We in the industry have to support the whole industry, not just the bit we think is important to us. Get over your predjudices, instructor or charter, we are all pilots filling in the slots we want to fill in this great big sky. Who says because I fly a 747 I am better than the person who flies a C152. If I didn't fly the C152, there is no way I would be up there flying the 747 anyway.
Get over it you self opinionated people, the world evolves through experience not ego!
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Yeh, I guess that call was a bit self opinionated from my end wasn't It?
Now after having tried to be a bit conciliatory for my blatant slur on everyone else who posts on this site, what I really should have said was you are not ALL RIGHT!
Common sense (and dosn't that appear to be lacking in many posts) should prevail. We, and by that I mean ALL of us, should put any predjudices we have in respect to the pros or cons of instructing v charter behind us and get on with allowing people to have their own views on the subject. At the same time we should ALL be advocating to the up and coming pilots, "get on with your careers, which ever way you think is best for you", and maybe we can just suggest the alternatives to them without any bias.
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Just an observation I have made, without commenting on whether one type is better than another, I used to instruct Grade 1, around 6 years ago, as of this year EVERY ex Grade 1 collegue I worked with (dozens and dozens of them) are now flying majority jets and at worst large turbine RPT. This excludes a couple that left flying and some older career instructors that had no intention to move anywhere. I strongly believe no matter which way you go and you are deicated and stick it out you will get to if not where you dream, very close!
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Just an observation I have made, without commenting on whether one type is better than another, I used to instruct Grade 1, around 6 years ago, as of this year EVERY ex Grade 1 collegue I worked with (dozens and dozens of them) are now flying majority jets and at worst large turbine RPT. This excludes a couple that left flying and some older career instructors that had no intention to move anywhere. I strongly believe no matter which way you go and you are deicated and stick it out you will get to if not where you dream, very close!
At Last!
I knew there was some common sense out there in pprune land.
Well said Angle of Attack.
