What's going on here?

[Capt Basil Brush]

To answer your question Crossbleed - yes.

[Led Zep]

Originally Posted by The Messiah

Get a life.....jeeeeez!

Who are they hurting but possibly themselves? and it isn't their safety you all seem to be worried about, but an opportunity to exercise your schoolyard mentalities.

Maybe they are just hurting themselves, but with the way this country is going there will be law suits filed for these sorts of things shortly!

[The Messiah]

Oh no not the lawsuit crap again. I don't know how any of you get out of bed in the morning for fear of lawsuits.

There is a real 'cannot' undertone to the attitude of Australian aviation these days and it is just getting worse. You just have to visit any flying school and they can come up with dozens of reasons why you cannot go flying today, or you have made an incorrect entry in your logbook, or my favourite....'oh no that aviation business won't work, they have the wrong aircraft type'.

Oz aviation used to be full of characters and people who really had a go.....not anymore.

[distracted cockroach]

Messiah,
It's not the dumbass who stands up I'm worried about - it's the little old lady who stays seated and ends up getting sconed by dumbass's cabin bag or duty free as he gets up and opens the overhead locker before the aircraft has stopped. Either that, or off-balance dumbass falls into someones lap and breaks their hip/pelvis etc.
It's a safety thing pure and simple.
(And there was a turbulence incident a few years back on the Koru where the only injury was a broken hip to an old dear. She was safely belted into her seat but Mr Dumbass in front didn't observe the seat belt sign and got thrown up in the air, over the seat back, and into aforementioned old dear's lap!)

[remofo]

Airbus are going to make us stand all the way

Originally Posted by Led Zep

Wouldn't think so, but you raise a good point. At least you have chunky straps and/or poles to hold onto in a bus or train. Your options are limited in the cabin - overhead locker handle maybe? Hope that some duty free doesn't knock your teeth out.

From the Sydney Morning Herald - April 26th
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...861349930.html


It states:
Air travellers will one day spend their flights standing up and strapped to the wall under a plan reportedly being considered by one of the world's largest aircraft manufacturers.
Standing passengers would be propped against a padded backboard and secured by a harness as airlines try to offset rising costs by boosting numbers, The New York Times has reported.
With standing class, the new A380 - designed to seat about 500 people - could carry the maximum number permitted, 853. Airbus has approached carriers in Asia but none has agreed.

and goes on...

If any carrier were to introduce standing room on flights to Australia, it would need approval from strict European safety authorities, a spokesman for the Civil Aviation Safety Authority said.
If the airline had only certifications from its national safety authority, CASA would investigate.
Some who might welcome the plan include extra-tall travellers, who monitor leg room on websites such as the The Airline Leg Room Guide.

(Yeah I can imagine all the 2 metre tall guys everywhere jumping at the chance to stand all the way to Australia from...well...anywhere!)

[DM777]

Just go up front and ask them to press the breaks firmly close to the gate, it will sort out the idiots from the rest, and boy, when a 747 comes to a halt quickly a lot of things move in the cabin, including fudging stupid pax that think they can get off earlier. Trust me, I've asked for it and seen it happen and laughed my ass off. Rules are there for a reason, not to be broken. And my airline is not the only one SO SIT ON YER DUM ASSES UNTIL THE DOORS ARE DISARMED

Best regards

DM 777

[Buckshot]

Reminds me of that story - pax in Row 1 of 727 ignores FAs request to remain seated coming in to the gate. FA informs Capt who asks Ground Crew not to connect bridge. Captain gets on P/A: "Ladies and Gentlemen, due to a malfunction we are disembarking today only by the rear stairs."
Pax in Row 1 is now last to get off, F/A can't stop smiling...

[Eliason]

Whilst I agree wholeheartedly with the requirement for passengers to remain seated until the aircraft comes to a "complete stop" (how is that different to a "stop"), ...

The difference is:
A stop can happen at any place at the airport while taxiing- due to other traffic crossing, having to wait till another airplane has finished it's pushback, ... This can be everything between a few seconds to a few minutes.

Complete stop: many airlines also say: "reached it's final parking position": the place where it stops, the chocks are inserted, engines are shutdown, doors will be opened.

Some countries are better with staying seated, some worse... personally I'm hardly ever in a rush. On the planes I'm flying on people have to wait for the handluggage in front of the plane, are all getting on the same bus for the ride to the terminal, ...

Plus: last one on the bus is first one off!

[bealine]

The difference is:
A stop can happen at any place at the airport while taxiing- due to other traffic crossing, having to wait till another airplane has finished it's pushback, ... This can be everything between a few seconds to a few minutes.

Complete stop: many airlines also say: "reached it's final parking position": the place where it stops, the chocks are inserted, engines are shutdown, doors will be opened.

So as there can be no possible doubt, wouldn't it perhaps be an idea to say "complete stop and the engines have shut down" - after all, the stairs or jetway won't be brought up to the aircraft until the anti-collision light is off - unless the ground staff have a suicide wish!

[IMHFO]

Kind not degree. Compliance vs compacency.

This annoys the hell out of me too. It is not a matter of kind but degree. Of compliance and the creeping diminution of standards and attitudes and complacency on behalf of those who should be enforcing rules.

Look at what is happening on our roads (with my opinion of worst offending areas - and read Melbourne for all):

• Tailgating (Canberra, Sydney)
• Lane chopping (Canberra)
• Speeding (Canberra, Sydney)
• Failure to stop at a red traffic light
• Failing to indicate when changing lanes (Canberra)
• Turning when in a straight-ahead only lane (Canberra)
• Driving slow in the right lane (Canberra, Perth, Adelaide)
• U turns in busy traffic (Melbourne)
• Failure to indicate correctly when negotiating a roundabout (Canberra, Darwin, hell everywhere)
  • Indicating turning left and then proceeding straight ahead
  • Indicating turning right in the left hand lane of a roundabout
• Parking facing the wrong side of the road (Canberra, Darwin)
• Parking on footpaths (Darwin)
• Vehicle faults
  • Headlights failed (Newcastle area)
  • Brake lights failed
  • Lowered drivers seats (Canberra)
  • Changes to suspension and stability i.e. suspension, different sized wheels/tyres front and rear. (Canberra)

A direct result of failure to enforce.

Passenger safety is directly related to compliance issues - give an inch and you will get chaos. Kick in hard and early or we will end up with the aviation culture of places we prefer not to be.

But we are also talking commercial realities - don't want a scene now folks do we!!!!!!!!!!

[Spinnerhead]

IMHFO

I can see be the above that you don't visit sunny QLD. The place were not even the cops use an indicator.