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flying job not worth it?
i thought id put in my 2cents here
i did a ppl in nz moved to europe and did a jar frozen atpl with one of the recognized flying schools yes it was expensive i paid for mine with a mixture of loan from my old man (who got a bank loan) and a bank loan in my own name, at the time i used hsbc (guarenteed by my uncle). graduated with good results moved to western europe it doesnt realy matter where you go but youd have the best luck with england. worked in a hotel as a porter at an airport hotel for a while got a job with a flag carrier in operations then got my first job on a turboprop. elapsed time since finishing flight school 7 months. started flight school at 22.
the one area i dont know about is residency as i have an eu passport.
so why dont you do it theirs tons of jobs in europe. if you have kids etc obviously this isnt going to fit but this is mainly aimed at the young guys.
the job is excellent dont worry about these people who say its so difficult. reality is i worked harder in the hotel or any of the other jobs i did. and the pay is still good i dont know what its like back home but i heard its ok.
all the other stuff is nothing to worry about
..... if your wife says your not home enough get a regional job where your home everynight.
...... and the stuff about pilotless airliners aint going to happen in any of our lifetime.
then go home with good european experience........
f**k this is the most ive written in years. its the day to day achievements.
i did a ppl in nz moved to europe and did a jar frozen atpl with one of the recognized flying schools yes it was expensive i paid for mine with a mixture of loan from my old man (who got a bank loan) and a bank loan in my own name, at the time i used hsbc (guarenteed by my uncle). graduated with good results moved to western europe it doesnt realy matter where you go but youd have the best luck with england. worked in a hotel as a porter at an airport hotel for a while got a job with a flag carrier in operations then got my first job on a turboprop. elapsed time since finishing flight school 7 months. started flight school at 22.
the one area i dont know about is residency as i have an eu passport.
so why dont you do it theirs tons of jobs in europe. if you have kids etc obviously this isnt going to fit but this is mainly aimed at the young guys.
the job is excellent dont worry about these people who say its so difficult. reality is i worked harder in the hotel or any of the other jobs i did. and the pay is still good i dont know what its like back home but i heard its ok.
all the other stuff is nothing to worry about
..... if your wife says your not home enough get a regional job where your home everynight.
...... and the stuff about pilotless airliners aint going to happen in any of our lifetime.
then go home with good european experience........
f**k this is the most ive written in years. its the day to day achievements.
novicef
There's some very good advice on this thread. If its what you really want, ignore the naysayers and go for it.
Never place yourself in the position where you voluntarily turn your back on what you really want.
If it doesn't work out, at least you tried and you can move on. But if you follow your doubts and not your instincts, the regrets can last a lifetime.
Neville_nobody. Your advice is well intentioned but I, for one, will go to my grave bitterly regretting that I listened to the same sort of advice 30 years ago. (Like the aircraft, some parts of the industry haven't changed that much over time.)
Cooda
Great family, successful career but still missing flying
There's some very good advice on this thread. If its what you really want, ignore the naysayers and go for it.
Never place yourself in the position where you voluntarily turn your back on what you really want.
If it doesn't work out, at least you tried and you can move on. But if you follow your doubts and not your instincts, the regrets can last a lifetime.
Neville_nobody. Your advice is well intentioned but I, for one, will go to my grave bitterly regretting that I listened to the same sort of advice 30 years ago. (Like the aircraft, some parts of the industry haven't changed that much over time.)
Cooda
Great family, successful career but still missing flying
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Too Many Pilots & Instructors
Cooda Shooda well done you have a career & a family. The grass always looks greener. Airline flying and salaries are not what they used to be. Most airlines operate on min rest, salaries have plumetted, training you have to pay for. Cheapest B737 & A320 courses in the US are US9700 & 12500 respectively.
QANTAS have Jet*, Emirates and Saudia are starting up LCC operations similar to Jet*. All the expansion is occurring in Asia with asian salaries, there are few exceptions & then those only apply to experienced Capt's. New guys (F/O's) are on local wages.
I would suggest to anyone wanting to fly have a backup plan get a degree which can be used at a later date if need be.
QANTAS have Jet*, Emirates and Saudia are starting up LCC operations similar to Jet*. All the expansion is occurring in Asia with asian salaries, there are few exceptions & then those only apply to experienced Capt's. New guys (F/O's) are on local wages.
I would suggest to anyone wanting to fly have a backup plan get a degree which can be used at a later date if need be.
C152R (or C150A in my day)
Not a case of rosy glasses, greener grass or more money.
Aviation is no different to any other industry that has fallen into the clutches of the bean counters and their standards eroding ways.
The point I am trying to make is that if you have a genuine itch to fly, regardless of whether your path takes you into military, GA, airlines, bizjets, Ag whatever....if you don't scratch that itch it will eventually fester.
(But certainly have that back up plan to be dusted off if all else fails.)
Not a case of rosy glasses, greener grass or more money.
Aviation is no different to any other industry that has fallen into the clutches of the bean counters and their standards eroding ways.
The point I am trying to make is that if you have a genuine itch to fly, regardless of whether your path takes you into military, GA, airlines, bizjets, Ag whatever....if you don't scratch that itch it will eventually fester.
(But certainly have that back up plan to be dusted off if all else fails.)
Its good to see there are more young fellows on the way, following their dreams instead of their brains. I must start up a Fying School/ Charter Company once I finish up with these four holers. I quite like the idea of pilots paying me to fly my planes, all the more money to invest in the property market.
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standard brief....you say pilotless aircraft will not be in your lifetime......then you are misinformed to say the least...
Every Major airline in the states at this moment has a pilot rep that is working with Nasa offshoots,and various companys whose sole purpose is the introduction of pilotless aircraft.
Yesterday ,my jumpseater from our company,was on his way to DC,I was taken back,literally,at how far this concept has come,how much is on the drawing board.Their job is to work with these companys and the govt and procure rules and regulations that pertain to the operation of this equipment.
I asked the question,about my litle world...A320/757 OPS......HIS REPLY,...that in the not to distant future the ability to operate these types of equipment from the ground is not that far off.....in my life time I asked,his reply,if it doesnt happen within 20 yrs,he,ll be surprised.......do I believe it?,maybe a little sceptical...but just look how far aviation has come in the last 50 yrs.
The first types of A/C you wil see that are pilotless are going to be the areial survellence,pipeline inspection,photograpy.....etc etc...we just about have those now.... ...never say never,....and standard brief ,there are several web sites that are availble to research what I have said/.....dont have them handy ,but would be more than happy to PM you with the info...I think youll find it very surprising as to whats in the works....PB
Every Major airline in the states at this moment has a pilot rep that is working with Nasa offshoots,and various companys whose sole purpose is the introduction of pilotless aircraft.
Yesterday ,my jumpseater from our company,was on his way to DC,I was taken back,literally,at how far this concept has come,how much is on the drawing board.Their job is to work with these companys and the govt and procure rules and regulations that pertain to the operation of this equipment.
I asked the question,about my litle world...A320/757 OPS......HIS REPLY,...that in the not to distant future the ability to operate these types of equipment from the ground is not that far off.....in my life time I asked,his reply,if it doesnt happen within 20 yrs,he,ll be surprised.......do I believe it?,maybe a little sceptical...but just look how far aviation has come in the last 50 yrs.
The first types of A/C you wil see that are pilotless are going to be the areial survellence,pipeline inspection,photograpy.....etc etc...we just about have those now.... ...never say never,....and standard brief ,there are several web sites that are availble to research what I have said/.....dont have them handy ,but would be more than happy to PM you with the info...I think youll find it very surprising as to whats in the works....PB
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The first types of A/C you wil see that are pilotless are going to be the areial survellence,pipeline inspection,photograpy.....etc etc...we just about have those now...
. Just how willing will people be to get on a pilotless aircraft? I know I wouldn't.
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A2a....you are right indeed....how many airports have you been in that have trains,that have no engineers or drivers..............they are all over the world...in industries other than aviation, you see it all around.....please do not mistake me for 'pushing" or " wanting" this technology...I am just providing information that I get and read...the reality of the situation is that there are many people who are making money at our demise...nothing more..nothing less.
There are many who read these threads,who will laugh,dis,..etc,etc...you will see/hear those from the good times,those on the tail end,and those who have :"the dream"....things have changed,and to try and tell the pilot from the 50/60,s to the pilot of 2000,s ,.what is going on in the aviation world is a pandoras box......to believe in aviation that things will stay semi-constant is a joke,,.....we deal with an ever changing world,and hope we can ride it out.
They are trying(in the usa) to extand the age 60 rule...the young fellas are going to love that!!!!!....I am certainly the optimist...but the bast#$d I was flying with today...well..he wanted my job......bloody heck I bought the donuts......may the taniwha visit his marae
There are many who read these threads,who will laugh,dis,..etc,etc...you will see/hear those from the good times,those on the tail end,and those who have :"the dream"....things have changed,and to try and tell the pilot from the 50/60,s to the pilot of 2000,s ,.what is going on in the aviation world is a pandoras box......to believe in aviation that things will stay semi-constant is a joke,,.....we deal with an ever changing world,and hope we can ride it out.
They are trying(in the usa) to extand the age 60 rule...the young fellas are going to love that!!!!!....I am certainly the optimist...but the bast#$d I was flying with today...well..he wanted my job......bloody heck I bought the donuts......may the taniwha visit his marae
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Don't be the pilots from this joke....
"When we're around other pilots, all we talk about are girls. When we're around girls, all we talk about are aeroplanes."
By the way, all my friends at work are pilots.
None of my friends outside work are.
"When we're around other pilots, all we talk about are girls. When we're around girls, all we talk about are aeroplanes."
By the way, all my friends at work are pilots.
None of my friends outside work are.
Too Many Pilots
I was talking to a mate of mine in London last night and from what he said only 3% of all pilots make it into the airlines there.Does anybody know what the percentages are in Oz and NZ.
