Parachute Aircraft lands in the water
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SUNFISH, I agree with you. I have recently watched a Cessna 206 operating out of RL Aviation, Ceres making a prolonged spiral descent from presumably 10,000. This cannot be good for a piston engine!
Sorry Q, couldn't help it. (now where did I leave that big spoon?).
Yawl have a Bonza day now.
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Wiz >>> Forget about MP, RPM and Cowl Flaps. What we are talking about here is PROLONGED SPIRAL DESCENTS. It's a little known phenomenon in Australia but out there in THE REAL WORLD, everyone knows that prolonged spiraling damages an engine. Interesting to note that this also occurs when cutting donuts in boats and cars. Remember - extended rotational motion in ANY combustion powered vehicle is dangerous!!!!!
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My recollection of the Aust Parachute Federation Guidelines for drivers says not to do prolonged spiral descents. Wasn't this for a number of reasons, including the extra stress on airframes, engines etc, and the fact that you can't keep a good lookout in a 60 deg spiral?
Do some of the parachute guys read the manual?
I saw glider towing mentioned earlier, in the gliding scene tow pilots are taught good engine management and don't get to stay around if they don't follow the recomendations.
Do some of the parachute guys read the manual?
I saw glider towing mentioned earlier, in the gliding scene tow pilots are taught good engine management and don't get to stay around if they don't follow the recomendations.
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Gday
Another article from the Geelong News
SURF COAST PLANE CRASH. HOT DAY TO BLAME: INVESTIGATION (how come every other aeroplane flying around the area that day didn’t end up in the water?) Mr Gibson said the Civil Aviation Safety Authority had recommended and would oversee more training for the pilot. The pilot would undergo additional training particularly in regards to gliding and what to do in an emergency situation. No kidding, BUT I JUST LOVED THE LAST PARAGRAPH. When Geelong News contacted Australian Skydive about the findings a spokesman said the pilot worked for Tiger Moth World at Torquay Airport, but Tiger Moth World said the pilot worked for Australian Skydive.
Seems like nobody at Torquay knows who’s up who and who’s paying the rent
They should make sitcom about that joint and you wouldn’t need canned laughter.
What a bloody crack up.
Cheers Q
Another article from the Geelong News
SURF COAST PLANE CRASH. HOT DAY TO BLAME: INVESTIGATION (how come every other aeroplane flying around the area that day didn’t end up in the water?) Mr Gibson said the Civil Aviation Safety Authority had recommended and would oversee more training for the pilot. The pilot would undergo additional training particularly in regards to gliding and what to do in an emergency situation. No kidding, BUT I JUST LOVED THE LAST PARAGRAPH. When Geelong News contacted Australian Skydive about the findings a spokesman said the pilot worked for Tiger Moth World at Torquay Airport, but Tiger Moth World said the pilot worked for Australian Skydive.
Seems like nobody at Torquay knows who’s up who and who’s paying the rent
They should make sitcom about that joint and you wouldn’t need canned laughter.
What a bloody crack up.
Cheers Q
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Good Afternoon QNIM,
I take it then that you were not responsable for the positive spin in the local paper, i thought you would be happy, wasn't that the reason that you contacted them in the first place?
I do admit it makes a good read!!
Happy New Year to you to!
I take it then that you were not responsable for the positive spin in the local paper, i thought you would be happy, wasn't that the reason that you contacted them in the first place?
I do admit it makes a good read!!
Happy New Year to you to!
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I think mentioned early that the pilot would be hard to find, it seems that wasn’t far from the truth.
From The Australian.
Young pilot silent on skydive plane crash
Natasha Robinson
29dec05
THE skydiving operators whose hired 40-year-old plane crashed into a beach at Victoria's surf coast had previously worked for a parachuting company that was shut down last year by the aviation regulator.
A director of Australian Skydive said yesterday that he had no idea why the engine of the Cessna 182, flown by 19-year-old pilot Mark Giuliano and carrying two parachutists, had failed.
But more than 24 hours after the crash, neither Greg Bayly, Australian Skydive's chief instructor, nor the Queensland-based owner of the plane had asked Mr Giuliano what had happened.
Mr Giuliano's mother said yesterday that her son, who escaped shocked but unharmed, would not comment.
But Mr Bayly said: "A plane is just like anything - it is a mechanical device ... I had a pushbike when I was a kid that kept breaking down. It was a mechanical device."
Mr Giuliano walked away from the plane, which crashed and flipped into the water after he attempted an emergency landing at White's Beach in Torquay on Tuesday. The plane had engine problems at 10,000ft before it cut out altogether.
Australian Skydive has been operating out of the Tiger Moth World Adventure Park in Torquay for just over six months. Previously, its directors worked for another company in the area, Skydive City, whose director Luke McWilliams pleaded guilty in court to 21 safety breaches after a Civil Aviation Safety Authority investigation.
Many of the CASA findings against Mr McWilliams were quashed by the Federal Court. No findings were made against other Skydive City employees.
Skydive City hosted the final fatal jump of Clare Barnes - the daughter of British Minister for Europe Denis MacShane and TV journalist Carol Barnes - who died when her parachute cords became entangled during a dive in March last year at Geelong's Barwon Heads, south of Melbourne. The accident triggered the CASA investigation.
Mr Bayly said the fact that he and other directors of the company worked had for Mr McWilliams's company Skydive City before it folded was irrelevant to this week's crash.
CASA has asked Tiger Moth, who employed the pilot, for a report on the incident.
Queensland aviator Alan McVinish said he maintained the aircraft himself in line with regulations and that he did not know what went wrong.
"I'm waiting for Mark to give me a call and tell me himself," Mr McVinish said. "It's a very well maintained aeroplane. We're in the dark until Mark starts telling us exactly what happened."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.a...7681842,00.html
Gday accc
The only comment I have made to the media on this crash was when I was approached by one local paper, I have not contacted or made any other statement except on this forum. So I think it’s very naughty of you to suggest that I have, but saying that I think there is couple of interesting things coming up that might require a little press conference.
You all have a nice day.
Cheers Q
I think mentioned early that the pilot would be hard to find, it seems that wasn’t far from the truth.
From The Australian.
Young pilot silent on skydive plane crash
Natasha Robinson
29dec05
THE skydiving operators whose hired 40-year-old plane crashed into a beach at Victoria's surf coast had previously worked for a parachuting company that was shut down last year by the aviation regulator.
A director of Australian Skydive said yesterday that he had no idea why the engine of the Cessna 182, flown by 19-year-old pilot Mark Giuliano and carrying two parachutists, had failed.
But more than 24 hours after the crash, neither Greg Bayly, Australian Skydive's chief instructor, nor the Queensland-based owner of the plane had asked Mr Giuliano what had happened.
Mr Giuliano's mother said yesterday that her son, who escaped shocked but unharmed, would not comment.
But Mr Bayly said: "A plane is just like anything - it is a mechanical device ... I had a pushbike when I was a kid that kept breaking down. It was a mechanical device."
Mr Giuliano walked away from the plane, which crashed and flipped into the water after he attempted an emergency landing at White's Beach in Torquay on Tuesday. The plane had engine problems at 10,000ft before it cut out altogether.
Australian Skydive has been operating out of the Tiger Moth World Adventure Park in Torquay for just over six months. Previously, its directors worked for another company in the area, Skydive City, whose director Luke McWilliams pleaded guilty in court to 21 safety breaches after a Civil Aviation Safety Authority investigation.
Many of the CASA findings against Mr McWilliams were quashed by the Federal Court. No findings were made against other Skydive City employees.
Skydive City hosted the final fatal jump of Clare Barnes - the daughter of British Minister for Europe Denis MacShane and TV journalist Carol Barnes - who died when her parachute cords became entangled during a dive in March last year at Geelong's Barwon Heads, south of Melbourne. The accident triggered the CASA investigation.
Mr Bayly said the fact that he and other directors of the company worked had for Mr McWilliams's company Skydive City before it folded was irrelevant to this week's crash.
CASA has asked Tiger Moth, who employed the pilot, for a report on the incident.
Queensland aviator Alan McVinish said he maintained the aircraft himself in line with regulations and that he did not know what went wrong.
"I'm waiting for Mark to give me a call and tell me himself," Mr McVinish said. "It's a very well maintained aeroplane. We're in the dark until Mark starts telling us exactly what happened."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.a...7681842,00.html
Gday accc
The only comment I have made to the media on this crash was when I was approached by one local paper, I have not contacted or made any other statement except on this forum. So I think it’s very naughty of you to suggest that I have, but saying that I think there is couple of interesting things coming up that might require a little press conference.
You all have a nice day.
Cheers Q
