Parachute Aircraft lands in the water
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Gday Again
Just checking tonight’s telly guide and guess what’s on channel 7 at 8.30,
Air Crash Investigation, Flying On Empty.
An Air Transit Airbus runs out of fuel and has to glide to a power free landing.
Required viewing for somebody I think.
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Just checking tonight’s telly guide and guess what’s on channel 7 at 8.30,
Air Crash Investigation, Flying On Empty.
An Air Transit Airbus runs out of fuel and has to glide to a power free landing.
Required viewing for somebody I think.
Cheers Q
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Lets give the poor bugger a break QNIM. At 19 years of age he is but a fresh face novice. I'd say he was probably quite nervous (as the rest of us would have been) throughout the ordeal. It wasn't a perfect ending but lets cut him a little slack. He walked away from it and that is the main thing. Well done son.
Edited for sloppy spelling.
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Haven't seen anything yet to sugest that the engine failure was fuel related. Sure It's not un heard off to see a jump plane run out of gass but can't we give the young fella the benifit off the doubt untill the report comes out he is after all one of our coleague's.
Don't know to much about meatbombing but im fairly sure you don't do it when
That seems just a little to windy. But you never know they do jump out of planes.....
It was blowing a howling northerly, maybe 35 knots
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I agree with coitus and Aerodynamisist, cut this guy some slack. The speculation that this incident was the fault of the pilot, without the facts, doesn't do the poor bloke any good. There is little doubt he could have handled the failure better, but hindsight is 20/20, and it is easy to talk about what he did wrong, and what he should have done instead, having not been in the situation yourself. For his sake, I hope he can put this behind him and move forward to make a successful career.
And like VHCU said "any landing you can walk (or swim) away from..."
And like VHCU said "any landing you can walk (or swim) away from..."
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It doesn't matter if it's 60kts up top, as long as you adjust your spot accordingly, let the meat bombs know so they can open low and get a wind check to make sure it's still below 20kts on the ground. not a problem.
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without being too harsh not being able to land after engine failure after dropping the chutes ( on take off and climb i can accept you might get a bit far away ) is a bit of a cardinal sin
fuel slick - ha ha ha ha
35knot wind gives you between 30 and 100 kt ground speed in my books
even if it happened at worst possible place - downwind they should be flown high and you should be able to make it back
as for cutting slack there is a first time for everything in this place, nobody else ever got any around here and i sure wont expect any when i f@#k up (when not if)
fuel slick - ha ha ha ha
35knot wind gives you between 30 and 100 kt ground speed in my books
even if it happened at worst possible place - downwind they should be flown high and you should be able to make it back
as for cutting slack there is a first time for everything in this place, nobody else ever got any around here and i sure wont expect any when i f@#k up (when not if)
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The germans call it Schadenfreude .
The english equivalent is epicaricacy .
Either way, it just shows the character of the poster.
The english equivalent is epicaricacy .
Either way, it just shows the character of the poster.
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Gday compressor stall
I feel greatly for the poor fellow, he has just started his commercial career and he would have been doing exactly what he was told and when he turned up at work he was probably introduced to Mr Shovel. I would be very surprised if he hasn't been advised to disappear. Tarboy obviously knows these people well. With GA the way it is these days the last thing we need is to have front page of every news paper in the state headlined with a wrecked aeroplane
From Todays Geelong Advertiser
Beach crash quiz
Thursday, December 29
Jeff Whalley
TORQAIR Tiger Moth World will have to explain to the nation's peak aviation safety body why one of its aircraft crashed into waves at Torquay on Tuesday.
Horrified Torquay beachgoers watched as the Cessna 172 ploughed into waves at Whites Beach and cartwheeled through the waves around midday. To the amazement of onlookers the pilot, 19-year-old Mark Giuliano of Sunbury, pulled himself from the wreckage of the plane virtually unhurt.
Police praised the actions of the young pilot for his presence of mind in controlling the descent.
``He has done really well to handle the plane as he did. It was textbook,'' Constable Nigel Bullas said.
Police would not speculate about the cause of the crash on Tuesday.
But yesterday Civil Aviation Safety Authority spokesman Peter Gibson said Torqair had been asked for a report into the accident by next week.
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau is also investigating the cause of the incident.
Mr Gibson said the authority would decide whether any further investigation would be needed after reviewing the company's report into regulatory procedures surrounding the accident.
``We look at whether all rules were followed, from safety to maintenance to refuelling,'' he said.
Mr Gibson said the first line of inquiry with engine failure was to examine how fuel was managed on the flight.
``It's an obvious starting point to ask how much on board and was there enough?''
The authority can levy penalties ranging from cautions to cancellation of licences.
I would like to see CASA get off there hands and do something about it and stop harassing those organisations who are trying to do the right thing.
There you are I’ve had my say.
Cheers Q
I feel greatly for the poor fellow, he has just started his commercial career and he would have been doing exactly what he was told and when he turned up at work he was probably introduced to Mr Shovel. I would be very surprised if he hasn't been advised to disappear. Tarboy obviously knows these people well. With GA the way it is these days the last thing we need is to have front page of every news paper in the state headlined with a wrecked aeroplane
From Todays Geelong Advertiser
Beach crash quiz
Thursday, December 29
Jeff Whalley
TORQAIR Tiger Moth World will have to explain to the nation's peak aviation safety body why one of its aircraft crashed into waves at Torquay on Tuesday.
Horrified Torquay beachgoers watched as the Cessna 172 ploughed into waves at Whites Beach and cartwheeled through the waves around midday. To the amazement of onlookers the pilot, 19-year-old Mark Giuliano of Sunbury, pulled himself from the wreckage of the plane virtually unhurt.
Police praised the actions of the young pilot for his presence of mind in controlling the descent.
``He has done really well to handle the plane as he did. It was textbook,'' Constable Nigel Bullas said.
Police would not speculate about the cause of the crash on Tuesday.
But yesterday Civil Aviation Safety Authority spokesman Peter Gibson said Torqair had been asked for a report into the accident by next week.
The Australian Transport Safety Bureau is also investigating the cause of the incident.
Mr Gibson said the authority would decide whether any further investigation would be needed after reviewing the company's report into regulatory procedures surrounding the accident.
``We look at whether all rules were followed, from safety to maintenance to refuelling,'' he said.
Mr Gibson said the first line of inquiry with engine failure was to examine how fuel was managed on the flight.
``It's an obvious starting point to ask how much on board and was there enough?''
The authority can levy penalties ranging from cautions to cancellation of licences.
I would like to see CASA get off there hands and do something about it and stop harassing those organisations who are trying to do the right thing.
There you are I’ve had my say.
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Police say "It was textbook stuff" hell they had better stick to taking pictures of HIGHLY DANGEROUS DRIVERS OF CARS AND OTHER ROAD VEHICLES if that was texbook "Stuff" anyhow am glad the lad did not get injured as that is the most IMPORTANT thing.
Who in the he*l retrieved that a/c as it looked a proposition to fix up but if you got to take a look after the wankers pulled the engine out with a tractor and then bent the thing in half after towing it along the beach (hope they are insured against rough retrieval) that was probably text book stuff as well.
Why is everyone calling a 182G a 172 or has the text book got an inkblot on it?
Bloody keyboards, had to fix up some spelling.
Who in the he*l retrieved that a/c as it looked a proposition to fix up but if you got to take a look after the wankers pulled the engine out with a tractor and then bent the thing in half after towing it along the beach (hope they are insured against rough retrieval) that was probably text book stuff as well.
Why is everyone calling a 182G a 172 or has the text book got an inkblot on it?
Bloody keyboards, had to fix up some spelling.
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Gday Cinders
I think you’ve got it all wrong I don’t find any pleasure in seeing this sought of thing in the headlines as it definitely effects the industry, but those incompetents in authority who allow this to continue are destroying our industry, while we are trying build up confidence in the public and without that confidence we will all be looking for some other way to earn a living.
So rather than criticise why not get off your @rse and do something positive for GA
Have a nice day.
Cheers Q
I think you’ve got it all wrong I don’t find any pleasure in seeing this sought of thing in the headlines as it definitely effects the industry, but those incompetents in authority who allow this to continue are destroying our industry, while we are trying build up confidence in the public and without that confidence we will all be looking for some other way to earn a living.
So rather than criticise why not get off your @rse and do something positive for GA
Have a nice day.
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Compressor stall & Cinders
Hello, hello me tinks you are a little bit upset with the original poster? seems to be a bit of anomosity about your post? did you want to break the story first or is it a bit of long time trouble down your way?
Anyhow have done some research and found this Airport has had a history about it so all I can assume is that you are in some way involved and this is a bit of character attack to try and take the flak away from the event.
No one likes aviation to be headlines in local rags as they make a sensational front page with aviation the loser no matter what the outcome.
Hello, hello me tinks you are a little bit upset with the original poster? seems to be a bit of anomosity about your post? did you want to break the story first or is it a bit of long time trouble down your way?
Anyhow have done some research and found this Airport has had a history about it so all I can assume is that you are in some way involved and this is a bit of character attack to try and take the flak away from the event.
No one likes aviation to be headlines in local rags as they make a sensational front page with aviation the loser no matter what the outcome.
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TORQAIR Tiger Moth World will have to explain to the nation's peak aviation safety body why one of its aircraft crashed into waves at Torquay on Tuesday.
So who gets to do the most explaining with the nations peak aviation body.
1. The pilot
2. The Skydiving operator
3. The Airport operator
4. The Aircraft owner
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Is that directed to Jeff Whalley Datsun 180B? or a shot at the Advertiser itself or another person giving it to the messenger whom posted the story Mr. Qnim, guess he knows how to create a storm by mere reporting the facts hey.
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Fluffy - i can say we are all sick of QNIM pretending that he is some sort of investigator and running off to the news papers in an attempt to put dirt on his EX employees who had good reason to sack him. i believe that this has included the MeatBombers,Torqair,Barwon Heads and Geelong should have sacked him when he crashed the Tiger!!!
Looking for the almighty dollar QNIM??
QNIM seems to be bitter and twisted with his attempts to gain revenge and has caused irrepairable damage to the aviation community in the Geelong area. Maybe Fluffy you can pull the chain on QNIM.
Good to see that the piolt in question in after mucking his approach choosing to land in the water than not on the beach and putting innocent beach goers at RISK.
Looking for the almighty dollar QNIM??
QNIM seems to be bitter and twisted with his attempts to gain revenge and has caused irrepairable damage to the aviation community in the Geelong area. Maybe Fluffy you can pull the chain on QNIM.
Good to see that the piolt in question in after mucking his approach choosing to land in the water than not on the beach and putting innocent beach goers at RISK.
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accc,
There are a few inaccuracies in your attempt at character assasination.
I don't believe QNIM has ever pretended to be an investigator.
The newspapers approached him for comment as he has professional expertise and is an authority on operations in the local area having flown at most of the airfields there.
QNIM resigned at Torquay due to concerns with operational policies that put profits ahead of safety. His ex - employer then circulated the rumour that he was sacked.
His incident in the Tiger involved damage while taxiing the aircraft (without brakes fitted) at low speed. This can hardly be called a crash.
As for the bitter and twisted comment - I have never seen him happier.
Have a Happy New Year
Tarboy
There are a few inaccuracies in your attempt at character assasination.
I don't believe QNIM has ever pretended to be an investigator.
The newspapers approached him for comment as he has professional expertise and is an authority on operations in the local area having flown at most of the airfields there.
QNIM resigned at Torquay due to concerns with operational policies that put profits ahead of safety. His ex - employer then circulated the rumour that he was sacked.
His incident in the Tiger involved damage while taxiing the aircraft (without brakes fitted) at low speed. This can hardly be called a crash.
As for the bitter and twisted comment - I have never seen him happier.
Have a Happy New Year
Tarboy
