Pet Hate - "Go Ahead"

[SM4 Pirate]

Dr Phil, from an ATC view point if one of the big 2 says we are running late; often you can swap them with a compnay bird at no expense to anyone else; just the first 'same company' in the sequence. As an ATC I'd still like to hear those types of statements, becuase sometimes there is something that can be done. More often than not the 'first' company bird will say 'p!ss off, we're late too"; so nothing changes.

A question is a question; keep asking them; but think about the content; such as after delay sequence vectoring or holding, don't ask for high speed; it's obviously not available, unless you were late leaving hold or I stuffed up the vector... If it's the later I'll be trying to get you high speed to make my sequence look good, or without a half gap.

[Hugh Jarse]

It means that if they're trying to work out who to sequence first and they know that I'm running late that I may get the preference.

Keg,
Your position in the sequence is decided long before you tell ATC you're running late

Besides, with MAESTRO, we're all running late.

[Keg]

lol. Very true Hugh. I must say that I've given up telling ATC that we're running behind over the last few weeks......it just goes without saying these days!

[karrank]

Gee, some people get angry about the most trivial things...

While we have this procedure of giving the "expect STAR" blurb it does have a couple of warts on it my area, so if somebody says "go ahead" I will launch into the STAR with a bit more gusto than if they don't. And those warts are:
I have no idea whether the previous sector actually said the blurb or not, and I forget every-so-often.
a fair percentage of long haul flights call me and say they don't want a STAR yet due the other flight crew, erm, washing their hands or something. Or worse, tell me that after I've blarted out the STAR.
I don't always WANT to give the STAR on first contact, I may want to defer it for a higher priority task or wait to negotiate a more suitable runway or more advantageous transition (that I didn't think about untill the track started flashing).
I noticed YPAD using RWY 30 last week so stopped saying the blurb as I knew there was no STAR. A more literal minded controller took over and didn't like this plan, so started using the blurb again! Maybe he was right, they'd changed to 23 by the time I got back.

My only pet hate? Pet Hates.

If you have somebody sniffing your tail we will give you the high speed. If you don't we won't. If you ask, the worst that can happen is you get told "no" or you cop the delay you were going to get told about in a minute or two anyhow. We will have a number on our screen when a jet is 250NM out, and the brain diseased ATC tell it to the aircraft, causing rage (I assume) when it is changed 5 or 6 times until it really means something at top of descent. And then it can still change. Feel free to ask.

how do you feel about an aircraft giving a position report without prior notice?

This was introduced so ATC unfamiliar with the new TAAAARTS system could minimise the "say again" phenomenon while they gained such familiarity. Such familiarity was gained by about JUN 2000, and its continuing existence is a slur on the professionalism of OZ ATC worse than anything the SMITHEAD has come up with, and should have been left in the 20th century it came from. Gee, maybe I'll try out a change on the new TRACKER.

My flying training is progressing nicely, but I won't have to make any position reports anytime soon. When I do there will be no warning call. It is REQUIRED, but in no way required.

[4SPOOLED]

Got to admit, when you hear other radio jibber and slang, sometimes it rubs off on you without even thinking....

But yeh, as has been said before, there is an AIP for a reason. Use the tools relevant to your trade and you won't have a problem.....

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