Aerobatics Endorsement
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I see, the dreaded "aerobatic-envy" disease! I wish I could be as good as Paul A & Chris B. I don't go to many airshows so hopefully in little danger of getting the disease myself. Last I heard only two people in the country have very low level aerobatic approvals and only one of those names has been mentioned in this thread.
Alan Kilpatrick is a good pilot and keen. Nice guy as well.
Some-one was telling me about that Citabria accident the other day. A lot more wrong than just a few small changes. That post at aus.aviation is apparently accurate. I don't mind so much if the pilot is solo, I just look the other way and hope I hear no more than the little Cessna sounding like a Pitts. No point in dobbing anyone in - there's no evidence.
Alan Kilpatrick is a good pilot and keen. Nice guy as well.
Some-one was telling me about that Citabria accident the other day. A lot more wrong than just a few small changes. That post at aus.aviation is apparently accurate. I don't mind so much if the pilot is solo, I just look the other way and hope I hear no more than the little Cessna sounding like a Pitts. No point in dobbing anyone in - there's no evidence.
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People, particularly airshow regulars get sick of seeing the same guys there.
I go to an airshow and I make sure that I watch Pip because he is first class. I agree, see the same display several times and there's less interest in watching it. I don't feel an urge to see another display by Paul A, except possibly to see how he goes in his new aeroplane.
he isn't liked among the sausage factories{GFS}, ie. because he is too good
The CAP 10B is nice
There's an interesting article on AVWEB about aerobatic trainers.
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This is all well and good. There are many fine aerobatic performers out in the airshow circuit and certainly Pip is amongst the best of them. Have you looked at his site lately and his new paint job? www.edgeaerobatics.com.au
However, most of these people you mention are not instructors in aerobatics. They may be coaches but they are not instructors for you to get an endorsement from.
FF
However, most of these people you mention are not instructors in aerobatics. They may be coaches but they are not instructors for you to get an endorsement from.
FF
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Thanks for the link Feisty. I saw it at Avalon and had to say I preferred the previous scheme.
Back to the Yak 52 that some-one mentioned. One of my friends flew it recently, it certainly gets to 5000 ft quickly. Burns 150 litre per hour when working it though. I'd rather fly a cheaper aeroplane - I like flying instead of sitting on the ground looking at others flying.
Didn't some-one suggest getting a good coach then go to one of the hacks or young lads for the endorsement?
Back to the Yak 52 that some-one mentioned. One of my friends flew it recently, it certainly gets to 5000 ft quickly. Burns 150 litre per hour when working it though. I'd rather fly a cheaper aeroplane - I like flying instead of sitting on the ground looking at others flying.
Didn't some-one suggest getting a good coach then go to one of the hacks or young lads for the endorsement?
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Yak fuel usage
Hi,
someone is yanking your chain. A friend owns a Yak and the fuel consumption is 80-90 litres perhour during aeros. This makes it worthwhile. Quick to climb to height and acceptable fuel burn, so it is cost effective.
FF
someone is yanking your chain. A friend owns a Yak and the fuel consumption is 80-90 litres perhour during aeros. This makes it worthwhile. Quick to climb to height and acceptable fuel burn, so it is cost effective.
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You're right - either that or my memory is failing me. It was after a glass or two of red wine that he told me the fuel burn.
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AeroAce - Stay tuned. Paul A's new EXTRA300S will be appearing at airshows soon! It's a fantastic machine and will kick butt over the Edge 540. An Extra recently won the world unlimiteds, so who better than Paul to put it through its paces... He took delivery of it last Tuesday.
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Which "world unlimiteds" was this? At the World Aerobatic Championships" held recently the highest place for an Extra was 29th!
Alan Cassidy analysed the performance of all the types a few years ago, including power/weight, roll rate, vertical penetration etc and the Extra was noticeably behind the Sukhoi, CAP 232 and Edge. However, at that level, there aren't that many people who can take advantage of the differences between the types within each class. Takes much effort to continue to operate at that level, I hope Paul does well with it. I've heard that people are sniffing around (or at?) his Laser.
Alan Cassidy analysed the performance of all the types a few years ago, including power/weight, roll rate, vertical penetration etc and the Extra was noticeably behind the Sukhoi, CAP 232 and Edge. However, at that level, there aren't that many people who can take advantage of the differences between the types within each class. Takes much effort to continue to operate at that level, I hope Paul does well with it. I've heard that people are sniffing around (or at?) his Laser.
AeroAce stop being a tosser. The Extra is a kick-arse machine as VMC4ME says... there certainly isn't many of them around and they put on a great show. I look forward to the next airshow where they are both performing. The Extra is much bigger and has a far better "presence" than the Edge.
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Just to keep all the facts straight.
Extra 300S wingspan is only 2" bigger than a E540.
The E540 is 172 Lbs lighter and rolls quicker with a 10Kt higher VNE.
The Red bull pilots fly a variity of aircraft
What about the CAP as an aerobatic aircraft?
Extra 300S wingspan is only 2" bigger than a E540.
The E540 is 172 Lbs lighter and rolls quicker with a 10Kt higher VNE.
The Red bull pilots fly a variity of aircraft
What about the CAP as an aerobatic aircraft?
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I checked with the Yak fuel flow (this is a -50) and he confirmed 150 lires/hour doing aerobatics. 60 for cruise.
The CAP 232 is a very capable aeroplane too. As I said before, not too many people can take advantage of the differences between these aeroplanes. A 4 cylinder machine is plenty for me.
The CAP 232 is a very capable aeroplane too. As I said before, not too many people can take advantage of the differences between these aeroplanes. A 4 cylinder machine is plenty for me.
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Nope not me.
prune didnt allow that short an answer so need to pad this out
VMC - you hang around hangar 9? 7? 6? 2? 1?
I don't really care about Holdens or Fords.
RAAF training is undoubtedly first class but the aerobatics they do is limited. They don't have anything which can really do a stall turn or a flick roll.
prune didnt allow that short an answer so need to pad this out
VMC - you hang around hangar 9? 7? 6? 2? 1?
I don't really care about Holdens or Fords.
RAAF training is undoubtedly first class but the aerobatics they do is limited. They don't have anything which can really do a stall turn or a flick roll.