Aerobatics Endorsement
djpil...er.. curious as to how many friends you have lost?
save some cash and do it right , with quality instructor and in something built for the job
C152 Aerobats just don't cut it
Thanks for your other comments.
Weather in Melbourne this weekend seems ideal for sitting in the hangar talking about aerobatics, or continuing this debate.
To add to Fiesty's list of instructors:
Dick Gower at Coldstream , Laurie Byrnes at MFS and Graeme Hodges at Civil . Laurie uses a Decathlon while Dick and Graeme fly Cessnas.
Aerobatics also done at Tristar and Tyabb but I don't know the instructors and heard no feedback on their training. Both have Cessnas.
The Aerobatic Club has their monthly practice day this Sunday but it doesn't look promising due to the weather.
Off now - to MB to sit in the hangar and talk aerobatics.
To add to Fiesty's list of instructors:
Dick Gower at Coldstream , Laurie Byrnes at MFS and Graeme Hodges at Civil . Laurie uses a Decathlon while Dick and Graeme fly Cessnas.
Aerobatics also done at Tristar and Tyabb but I don't know the instructors and heard no feedback on their training. Both have Cessnas.
The Aerobatic Club has their monthly practice day this Sunday but it doesn't look promising due to the weather.
Off now - to MB to sit in the hangar and talk aerobatics.
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NZDP - there are no Robins in this part of the world.
The register shows 9 Robin 2160's in Australia. RVAC in Melbourne is looking at getting some Alphas (see the newsletters on their website) so I'm looking forward to them rolling off the NZ production line. From the manufacturer's website, it seems that production has not yet commenced.
Some of the "sausage factory" instructors ... are lucky to have 10 hours of aero time on the Decafs before they start training chums like you good self. Some of them are noticably scared about teaching things like loops according to an ex student.
Regardless of experience, the real question is whether the instructor is competent (we're only talking a basic aerobatic course here at this time) and can teach the appropriate knowledge and skills then judge when the student is safe to fly aerobatics solo. I agree with the recommendation to seek out an experienced instructor, who you would expect to meet those criteria (that recommendation applies to everything, not just aerobatics).
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TeleMaPhone - U R crazy! If you think there's no theory in Aero's you are HORRIBLY mistaken and may one day join many others who probably thought that before they tried to spin their aircraft to 100ft.
Look at the Citabria that crashed in SA a couple of months back. A couple of small changes, like passenger and a downwind component were enough to make him come unstuck and crash and burn.
Chris Burns is temporarily out of action, but will be back on deck shortly. He is no doubt your best option around Melbourne. He had been recently teaching at Tooradin in the Decatlhlon - VH-BWM. He certainly can put that aircraft through its' paces. There's a picture of it on their web-site. www.tooradinflyingschool.com.au
Other than that, a great coach would be Paul Andronicue in Melbourne. He flies a Laser and rivals Pip Boorman in airshow type displays. PM me if you want his details.
Look at the Citabria that crashed in SA a couple of months back. A couple of small changes, like passenger and a downwind component were enough to make him come unstuck and crash and burn.
Chris Burns is temporarily out of action, but will be back on deck shortly. He is no doubt your best option around Melbourne. He had been recently teaching at Tooradin in the Decatlhlon - VH-BWM. He certainly can put that aircraft through its' paces. There's a picture of it on their web-site. www.tooradinflyingschool.com.au
Other than that, a great coach would be Paul Andronicue in Melbourne. He flies a Laser and rivals Pip Boorman in airshow type displays. PM me if you want his details.
Reading over some of these posts leads to another thought of advice I often give to people seeking flying training, not just aerobatics:
Choose an instructor that you can get on with. The right instructor for the individual is a factor as important as the choice of aircraft type. And, no, he's not going to use my airplane.
On the other hand, most instructors don't have the luxury of being able to tell students to go and find some-one else but more should - see this article at Avweb.
Any one of those is not good for your health in aerobatics.
Choose an instructor that you can get on with. The right instructor for the individual is a factor as important as the choice of aircraft type. And, no, he's not going to use my airplane.
On the other hand, most instructors don't have the luxury of being able to tell students to go and find some-one else but more should - see this article at Avweb.
The five hazardous attitudes identified by the FAA are:
Invulnerability
Anti-authority
Impulsivity
Mr. Macho
Resignation
It is rarely just one of the five hazardous attitudes identified by the FAA, but rather two or more of them that form links in the accident chain.
Invulnerability
Anti-authority
Impulsivity
Mr. Macho
Resignation
It is rarely just one of the five hazardous attitudes identified by the FAA, but rather two or more of them that form links in the accident chain.
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i saw on the web that overseas there is a Boeing 737 for hire , for aerobatics! its only $97.00 AUD per hour.! cheap. you can do everything in it, spin's spiral dives, wingovers, barrel roll, some big 15degree banks! wow, everything .. look it up under "737 aeros" go for it mate.!
The CAP 10B is nice, Dave Robson swears by them. A CAP 10C would be even nicer. Doesn't go as well as a Laser but we're still discussing basic training here. Unfortunately, no CAP's in Victoria either.
Just saw this online, from info in another forum:
Has anyone seen that instant pull inverted?
Just some ideas for the displays are, high speed pass inverted, ribbon cut, loops , rolls , spins, low pass inverted, High speed passes travelling at over 450 KM/H with an instant pull inverted and loads more.
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Action: http://www.aerobatics.com.au/ or maybe ACST http://www.acst.com.au/
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So "BUCK ROGERS" you know otherwise? you think Pip is better than everyone else? Don't go catching Chris Burns disease. Pip's show is a lot of smoke and mirrors and is too expensive for most airshows now, which is why Paul gets invited to them all now days.
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With regards to R2160's in Australia, Yes there is a few of them, but the best one stands out in YPJT where do the aero's with Joy, then make a deal with the yank and you'll also be taught on how to do arrester cable landing practices as well?????
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Pip is up there with the best, in my opinion. Very few others in the country could match his ability as an airshow aerobatic pilot. Pay your money and take your pick. I'd probably even get a few gigs if I did it for free.
PS: what disease is this?
PS: what disease is this?
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It's a fast spreading disease that aerobatic pilots get. It's a disease that causes them to bitch with each other frequently about who gave who the low level endorsement and who actually has a ground level endorsement and who dobbed in who for doing aeros illegally, etc, etc, it's soooooo damn painful when people are infected with "aerobatic-envy" disease.
There are other airshow performers out there who are willing to do it for far less and who can put on a show. A fellow David Kilpatric (hope I've got his name right) did a nice stolen aircraft routine in his 2 seater Pitts recently at an airshow.
People, particularly airshow regulars get sick of seeing the same guys there.
There are other airshow performers out there who are willing to do it for far less and who can put on a show. A fellow David Kilpatric (hope I've got his name right) did a nice stolen aircraft routine in his 2 seater Pitts recently at an airshow.
People, particularly airshow regulars get sick of seeing the same guys there.