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I did hear some promising news a few days ago re QL recruiting. Apparently recruiting at QL has almost come to a stand still with only about one person per week going through the process. Rumour is that the up-front endo fee will be dropped in a couple of weeks. Those people stupid enough to fork out the cash and further degrade working conditions may not have had to pay if only they hung out a bit longer. Was it worth it stupid people? Not sure if AFAP pressure has done anything though. Anyone in the know?
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ROSO is actually an illegal concept that doesn't hold up in court. It is just a gentelman's agreement. Most of the qualified ADF pilots consider it a fair return for - Paid training, Average $80,000 PA salary over the term of the ROSO. It only applies after you get your wings (don't believe the fine print).
Super 64 I hope your not trying to compare the ADF to Paying $18,000 before you start training and no guarantee of a job where the average salary PA would be closer to $50,000 if you ever get a command. Not only that, but you are also qualified to start with, unlike with the ADF where you are trained from scratch.
The other big difference at the moment is that people haven't stopped applying to the ADF!
Super 64 I hope your not trying to compare the ADF to Paying $18,000 before you start training and no guarantee of a job where the average salary PA would be closer to $50,000 if you ever get a command. Not only that, but you are also qualified to start with, unlike with the ADF where you are trained from scratch.
The other big difference at the moment is that people haven't stopped applying to the ADF!
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the whole thing starts at a grass roots level people, while ever there are pilots willing to fly for bugger all or nothin, operators are going to capitalise on this. it starts just after your cpl with skydiver driving and joyflight operators and before u know it u are paying to fly a cheiftan for the skydivers and then paying for your dash 8 ticket.this is insane.if Kmart could get people to work there for nothing of course they would,and if they could get them to pay for there training they would do that too.i recently turned my back on jumper dumping when i found out what they were getting paid($40-$50 a load) compared with my $100 a day.some guys wer making $400 to my $100.i dont care about a career in the airlines and just do it for extra money and cause i like to fly,but its a bit rich when they tell you that they have the responsibility and not u.they have 2 lives to worry about in free fall and under canopy for about 4 minutes,last time i checked i had 6 lives to worry about if the noise stops and ive got them with me for 25 minutes (by the way your not popular if you miss the spot either).the solution is simple but hard to implement,all pilots at all levels must stop allowing themselves to used as slave labor and if the operators cant get anyone to do it for cheap or nothing then they have no choice but to pay decent money, but while ever there are a couple of weak willed individuals out there who succumb this is but a dream!
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last time i checked i had 6 lives to worry about if the noise stops and ive got them with me for 25 minutes
Cheers, HH.
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ever heard of engine failure after take off? i'd love to see the caos if it stopped at 100ft-NOT!dare i say they won't be making a timely escape and will be completely reliant on said slave labourers judgement.an engineer friend told me that if u shake a tree a dozen pilots fall out hence the need not to pay them.i usually find its the dead or rotten fruit that falls out when u do this,and if the engine stops at any time i bet they all wish they had paid for quality fruit! By the way, would'nt you be a tad unpopular with the aircraft owner for bailing out over something as trivial as a forced landing!i don't think any of these clowns truly appreciate the pressure we are under or our worth.i like your style though
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ever heard of engine failure after take off?
Cheers, HH.
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23 minutes on my own after an engine failure at 1000ft,i'd like to be in your c206,its got one hell of a good glide one it.but where getting off the point a bit here, i just reckon we burn all operators at the stake if the keep making guys pay for their checkouts of working for f@#k all
