Warren Sattler claims there is a "critical" NZ pilot shortage
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I saw an article in the Christchurch Press about all this.
I won't comment on that, because we all know how good the AIA media machine is, but the last paragraph made my ears prick up because it stated that the TEC [tertiary education commission] will be conducting a review on Aviation student loans... to be completed by April.
If anyone knows who to contact regarding making a submission to this review please post it here..
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They won\'t need to make any decisions mate ..... they will be permamant Co pilots 
I won't comment on that, because we all know how good the AIA media machine is, but the last paragraph made my ears prick up because it stated that the TEC [tertiary education commission] will be conducting a review on Aviation student loans... to be completed by April.
If anyone knows who to contact regarding making a submission to this review please post it here..
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Is there anything in the document that explains about how they will train them how to make sound decisions based on good information. As far as I can tell the best training I recieved for this was in GA making the decisions myself and learning from my mistakes. I worry about all these cadet schemes and how they teach their students to make the hard decisions. After all most of us have the coordination to fly the thing but how many have the experience to make tough decisions?
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Sattler is right! there is a pilot shortage, but he is talking about pilots with experience, turbine time or jet time, or at least some good multi time.
There are lists in all the Airnz offices at the airfields advertising the vacancies at different bases.... a co needed here a captain needed there........
The quality of the staff getting employed nowadays is taxing on the check and training crew for airlines, people coming with cpl, bare ifr rating no hours or experience...getting in a/c that do 370kts on the desent in **** icing and trub doing arcs from the inside, turblent imc ils's bla bla bla.... sounds all std stuff but it aint easy, its especially hard on the captain if the right seaters a dip****.
There are lists in all the Airnz offices at the airfields advertising the vacancies at different bases.... a co needed here a captain needed there........
The quality of the staff getting employed nowadays is taxing on the check and training crew for airlines, people coming with cpl, bare ifr rating no hours or experience...getting in a/c that do 370kts on the desent in **** icing and trub doing arcs from the inside, turblent imc ils's bla bla bla.... sounds all std stuff but it aint easy, its especially hard on the captain if the right seaters a dip****.
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Surely there would only be 100 pilots at the most leave GA for airline jobs this year?
Flying schools have pumped out a couple of hundred guys a year for a long time, while employment prospects have been low.
I am sure there are enough keen guys and girls hanging around without there having to be any pilots trained up at all this year???
Flying schools have pumped out a couple of hundred guys a year for a long time, while employment prospects have been low.
I am sure there are enough keen guys and girls hanging around without there having to be any pilots trained up at all this year???
If there are any current or prospective students reading this thread then as someone who knows the GA industry I feel I must warn you about believing much of what a flying school tells you. There is a shortage of pilots with 1500 hours tt and at the bare min 500 hrs multi and air transport time. There is a glut of people with 300-500 hours with 30 hours multi and a fair weather instrument rating. As a freshly qualified student you must be prepared to put in some VERY hard yards finding a job because believe me it is not easy. I would much rather have 100 pm's in my inbox from those seeking the truth than 100 cv's land on my desk from people who I know are very unlikely to find themselves in a job.
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QUOTE FROM THEIR PRESENTATION
"Proposal for a multi-crew pilot licence (MPL)
BASIC PRINCIPLES:
Licence for co-pilot of turbine commercial air transport
aeroplane
For ab-initio students
New licence to be an alternative to existing licences
Standards will be competency-based
Flight training requirements to be largely satisfied by
synthetic flight training
Both instrument and initial type rating included
Bridging requirements to enable MPL holders to exercise
CPL and single pilot I/R privilege"
Have you checked this years Massey School of Aviation enrolment? They are already touting for the Bachelor of Aviation - Air Transport Pilot. The ICAO concept has originated from Massey, in conjunction with Embery Riddle and a couple of other university training schools from around the world.
The idea behind it is to be able to train pilots to be able to sit as second officers and be flight "managers" - the emphasis being more on management of flight systems rather than the basics of air-person-ship, decision making and good ole stuff like that (Airbus has 9 computers to make all the decisions for you, no need to tire the brain out on a long sector).
As for old saddlebags . . .
While he has a lot of experience in the flight training arena and a wealth of knowledge, probably having forgotten more than most of us have learnt so far in our careers, there are as equally and more experienced pilots in the industry (LukeST already mentioned Graham Leach as an example) who would be more qualified and impartial to give an assessment as to the state of the piloting nation and how many CPLs are being trained / required. His "grandstanding" is driven by the almighty dollar and the need to keep the business operating, not really any different from any university or business (look at the warehouse or farmers advertising for example - what's the difference?)
As for the Airlines....
At the risk of repeating what has already been said, the industry is going through a "growth" period due to fleet expansion/competition and the retirement of the post-war baby-boomers (easy enough to work out the figures). Looking back at history through these times the noises have always been the same due to the airlines having the luxury of experience in their selection of crew. With the reduction of experience Airlines need to reassess their training methods (Air Nelson have already added an extra sim session to allow the new hires to get more exposure) and provide feedback to the various training organisations in an effort to increase the exposure.
There are still jobs available out there for 200-300 hour pilots if you are prepared to get off the proverbial backside and do some old fashioned door knocking. Most prospective employers willl take the time to meet you and have a "chat" (after all it is in their best interests as well) - it shows initiative and a willingness to possibly go that extra mile .........
ID
QUOTE FROM THEIR PRESENTATION
"Proposal for a multi-crew pilot licence (MPL)
BASIC PRINCIPLES:
Licence for co-pilot of turbine commercial air transport
aeroplane
For ab-initio students
New licence to be an alternative to existing licences
Standards will be competency-based
Flight training requirements to be largely satisfied by
synthetic flight training
Both instrument and initial type rating included
Bridging requirements to enable MPL holders to exercise
CPL and single pilot I/R privilege"
Have you checked this years Massey School of Aviation enrolment? They are already touting for the Bachelor of Aviation - Air Transport Pilot. The ICAO concept has originated from Massey, in conjunction with Embery Riddle and a couple of other university training schools from around the world.
The idea behind it is to be able to train pilots to be able to sit as second officers and be flight "managers" - the emphasis being more on management of flight systems rather than the basics of air-person-ship, decision making and good ole stuff like that (Airbus has 9 computers to make all the decisions for you, no need to tire the brain out on a long sector).
As for old saddlebags . . .
While he has a lot of experience in the flight training arena and a wealth of knowledge, probably having forgotten more than most of us have learnt so far in our careers, there are as equally and more experienced pilots in the industry (LukeST already mentioned Graham Leach as an example) who would be more qualified and impartial to give an assessment as to the state of the piloting nation and how many CPLs are being trained / required. His "grandstanding" is driven by the almighty dollar and the need to keep the business operating, not really any different from any university or business (look at the warehouse or farmers advertising for example - what's the difference?)
As for the Airlines....
At the risk of repeating what has already been said, the industry is going through a "growth" period due to fleet expansion/competition and the retirement of the post-war baby-boomers (easy enough to work out the figures). Looking back at history through these times the noises have always been the same due to the airlines having the luxury of experience in their selection of crew. With the reduction of experience Airlines need to reassess their training methods (Air Nelson have already added an extra sim session to allow the new hires to get more exposure) and provide feedback to the various training organisations in an effort to increase the exposure.
There are still jobs available out there for 200-300 hour pilots if you are prepared to get off the proverbial backside and do some old fashioned door knocking. Most prospective employers willl take the time to meet you and have a "chat" (after all it is in their best interests as well) - it shows initiative and a willingness to possibly go that extra mile .........
ID
