Jet Charter out of BN
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Jet Charter out of BN
Can I just ask people's opinions of whether you think it would be viable to operate a corporate light jet out of BN. Something like a Citation II or Bravo! There has to be a need for it somewhere and BN or South East QLD doesnt have anthing to offer.
Any ideas???
Any ideas???
Don't want to be rude, but nesbit, as a "GA business operator" from AF, you seem a bit vague about whats happening in your area. Responses to your question in GA suggest that there is in fact corporate charter aircraft available, and that they are far from busy.
You seem to have your heart set on this corporate thing though, so why don't you approach some big corporates and see what response you get. Maybe some sort of fractional ownership thing could work
You seem to have your heart set on this corporate thing though, so why don't you approach some big corporates and see what response you get. Maybe some sort of fractional ownership thing could work
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grrowler, thanks for the ideas champ! Already well on my way to investigating all those ideas. The response has been very high from major corporates! Just one thing though, I wonder if I put a light jet online, would the big red fish come and put 2 light jets online and discount the price???
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I understand some of the more affluent residents on Hamilton Island are considering purchasing a Jet of some sort as they are not happy with the Jet* service…. Could be an opening there..
Big red fish? Not sure exactly who you mean. If you can tie up deals with businesses before you commit yourself too much, and then provide a cost effective, good service with good pr, it shouldn't matter. As long as you don't get greedy and "keep it real", I don't see anyone bothering to buy 2 citations to undercut you and make half the profit.
Just consider where and when these companies would want to fly that the majors don't service. While they no doubt like the idea of the prestige of flying around in a bizjet, when it comes to the crunch it's the bean counters that make the decisions.
I have to admit I remain cynical, but good luck
Just consider where and when these companies would want to fly that the majors don't service. While they no doubt like the idea of the prestige of flying around in a bizjet, when it comes to the crunch it's the bean counters that make the decisions.
I have to admit I remain cynical, but good luck
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Well done spot the market fill the niche!
A well developed Business Plan will tell you whether it can be made to work or what would be required. If you can't make it work on paper with the proper research it wont.
If you want a hand PM me I have a programme that might help, if I can find it.
Well done spot the market fill the niche!
A well developed Business Plan will tell you whether it can be made to work or what would be required. If you can't make it work on paper with the proper research it wont.
If you want a hand PM me I have a programme that might help, if I can find it.
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In your study of the markey have you taken in the rumours of the jets soon to come to Brisbane?
ie 1 x Falcon 2000, 1 X Hawker 125, 1 x Lear 35, 1 x Citation Mustang plus your purchase.
Things might get a bit crowded if the rumours are true.
In your study of the markey have you taken in the rumours of the jets soon to come to Brisbane?
ie 1 x Falcon 2000, 1 X Hawker 125, 1 x Lear 35, 1 x Citation Mustang plus your purchase.
Things might get a bit crowded if the rumours are true.
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Nesbit,
It beats me why People are scared of Jets. In the Americas and Carribean it is the norm. Youre only real competition would be from a couple of B350 King Airs whioch have a good Range. They do alot of Island stuff like Vanauu etc from Bris. So youd prolly need something with a little longer legs maybe a Citationx?
If ya need a driver give a PM? Hey it had to be said.
Sheep.
It beats me why People are scared of Jets. In the Americas and Carribean it is the norm. Youre only real competition would be from a couple of B350 King Airs whioch have a good Range. They do alot of Island stuff like Vanauu etc from Bris. So youd prolly need something with a little longer legs maybe a Citationx?
If ya need a driver give a PM? Hey it had to be said.
Sheep.
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Do you know who will be operating these aircraft and where their proposed routes? Would love to get a heads up as I have nearly confirmed to contracts already with corporates!
Cheers
Do you know who will be operating these aircraft and where their proposed routes? Would love to get a heads up as I have nearly confirmed to contracts already with corporates!
Cheers
Have you already got an AOC? If not this is another consideration, it can take a long time to get approved (6 months plus).
I would think that they wouldn't have any proposed routes, rather be available for charter wherever they wanna go.
I would think that they wouldn't have any proposed routes, rather be available for charter wherever they wanna go.
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nesbit, take Gaunty's advice and put the time and effort into a comprehensive business plan. You'll need it for financing, planning and operations for the first few years. It will also come in useful for corporate sales and staffing.
There will be lots of people who will tell you there is a viable market, but a business plan will put it all there in black and white and it will also encourage you to look at aspects of the operation that you may not have even thought about. A good business plan will take much of the emotion out of the decision and leave you with a relatively simple go/no go choice based on the best facts available. It's a cheap investment prior to having a jet delivered on your ramp.
If you enquire you might find a few willing business students from Griffith or the U of Q who would like the credits for a PhD or Masters and would jump at the opportunity to assist. Their professors may provide some valuable oversight as well. I can also give you a recommendation on a good friend in Brisbane who has excellent research skills and quals and knows the aviation industry inside out. He's not cheap, but well worth the investment.
One of the hassles you will face is that many people will say they will use your services, but when the aircraft is sitting at their door, they won't commit. And competition is a fact of life. A high investment makes a high barrier for entry for many would-be operators. First in gets the spoils.
Australian GA has been messing about with clapped out pistons and mediocrity for so long it is great to see someone taking the initiative towards upgrading the equipment and raising the bar. With an operation like this, there will be more emphasis on your marketing and sales.
Absolutely great to see and I wish you all the very best in your endeavours. I hope the market is there for a viable operation.
There will be lots of people who will tell you there is a viable market, but a business plan will put it all there in black and white and it will also encourage you to look at aspects of the operation that you may not have even thought about. A good business plan will take much of the emotion out of the decision and leave you with a relatively simple go/no go choice based on the best facts available. It's a cheap investment prior to having a jet delivered on your ramp.
If you enquire you might find a few willing business students from Griffith or the U of Q who would like the credits for a PhD or Masters and would jump at the opportunity to assist. Their professors may provide some valuable oversight as well. I can also give you a recommendation on a good friend in Brisbane who has excellent research skills and quals and knows the aviation industry inside out. He's not cheap, but well worth the investment.
One of the hassles you will face is that many people will say they will use your services, but when the aircraft is sitting at their door, they won't commit. And competition is a fact of life. A high investment makes a high barrier for entry for many would-be operators. First in gets the spoils.
Australian GA has been messing about with clapped out pistons and mediocrity for so long it is great to see someone taking the initiative towards upgrading the equipment and raising the bar. With an operation like this, there will be more emphasis on your marketing and sales.
Absolutely great to see and I wish you all the very best in your endeavours. I hope the market is there for a viable operation.
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Thanks Lodown
Like any investment/business idea, I do my research hard! its a fact of life, to be eductated about something is the key to success. I understand everyones negative points of view, saying that no one will use the aicraft.
I come from a very business oriented background, aviation aswell!!! I know, understand and can implement a successful marketing campaign make this work.
The old saying, if you build it, they will come!!!
Thanks for the positives. I intend to keep you all posted about my purchases. Im sure Ill see something on here before I get the chance though.
Can everyone please keep giving me their opinions and thoughts on bringing a light Jet to Brisbane for Corporate charter, I value everyones opinions greatly.
Cheers
Like any investment/business idea, I do my research hard! its a fact of life, to be eductated about something is the key to success. I understand everyones negative points of view, saying that no one will use the aicraft.
I come from a very business oriented background, aviation aswell!!! I know, understand and can implement a successful marketing campaign make this work.
The old saying, if you build it, they will come!!!
Thanks for the positives. I intend to keep you all posted about my purchases. Im sure Ill see something on here before I get the chance though.
Can everyone please keep giving me their opinions and thoughts on bringing a light Jet to Brisbane for Corporate charter, I value everyones opinions greatly.
Cheers
Sheep Guts
2 King Air 350's going to the Islands regularly? One went a few times, the other nil.
Five Star closed their doors, no commercial return. Sold their Baron and traded the 2 King Air's on a newer 350, private cat only. They tried hard but couldn't make charter work.
Nesbit
Go for it, the more work you do in generating a market, the better it will be for all. You will arouse a bit of new interest, get some response and at the same time they will start shopping around and your competitors will pick up some extra work courtesy of your marketing.
Beware of thinking that hey, I have an AOC and I am already a Operator , I will just add the new aircraft to the AOC. You might get a shock as to hard difficult it can be. It could take 6 months plus.
The Astra ( Gulfstream 1 ) which I forgot to mention does virtually nil Brisbane sourced charter.
Then again your posts could just be a wind up. Generated some interest though hasn't it!
2 King Air 350's going to the Islands regularly? One went a few times, the other nil.
Five Star closed their doors, no commercial return. Sold their Baron and traded the 2 King Air's on a newer 350, private cat only. They tried hard but couldn't make charter work.
Nesbit
Go for it, the more work you do in generating a market, the better it will be for all. You will arouse a bit of new interest, get some response and at the same time they will start shopping around and your competitors will pick up some extra work courtesy of your marketing.
Beware of thinking that hey, I have an AOC and I am already a Operator , I will just add the new aircraft to the AOC. You might get a shock as to hard difficult it can be. It could take 6 months plus.
The Astra ( Gulfstream 1 ) which I forgot to mention does virtually nil Brisbane sourced charter.
Then again your posts could just be a wind up. Generated some interest though hasn't it!