UNFAIR Dismissal case, worth a read. Looks like someone had a win?
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UNFAIR Dismissal case, worth a read. Looks like someone had a win?
C. P. Doyle and S. W. Pty Ltd t/as Nothern Air Charter - Decision - re Termination of employment - PR949726 - 20 July 2004 - Lawson C
http://www.airc.gov.au/documents/oth...decisions.html
http://www.airc.gov.au/documents/oth...decisions.html
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I was going to indicate to Goround Goround that justice had prevailed and on the basis of the facts before the Commission, the decision appeared to be very appropriate.
However, on the basis of the very abusive and totally unjustified PM Goround Goround sent me this afternoon, either he justifies or retracts the PM - or by sundown tomorrow poor Goround Goround won't be playing in our sand pit any more. Ever again! And even his other alter egos will be lucky to survive, the way I feel at present!
And that's infinately more lenient than the action recommended by all my fellow Woomeri!!!!!!!
We have a job to do. We don't take sides or express bias. The Woomera task is an unpaid task carried out due to our love of aviation.
We don't need unjustified and nasty little PM's from grubs like you!
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However, on the basis of the very abusive and totally unjustified PM Goround Goround sent me this afternoon, either he justifies or retracts the PM - or by sundown tomorrow poor Goround Goround won't be playing in our sand pit any more. Ever again! And even his other alter egos will be lucky to survive, the way I feel at present!
And that's infinately more lenient than the action recommended by all my fellow Woomeri!!!!!!!
We have a job to do. We don't take sides or express bias. The Woomera task is an unpaid task carried out due to our love of aviation.
We don't need unjustified and nasty little PM's from grubs like you!
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I have followed the other older thread with a little interest and a lot of curiosity to see where it would end or when it would be binned.
I now see this 'new thread' has appeared and wonder what the merit of it is.
I have come to this conclusion:
Those without some life experience are very quick to shoot from the hip despite what some of us with some life experience have been trying to tell those without.
Anyone who is an employee who doesn't protect themselves adequately against any unscrupulous action by ANY (read ANY not just the named respondent in the IRC action) employer, in ANY (read ANY profession - not just aviation related professions) needs their head read.
Now I realise that some peoples' idea of sport is to have a crack at a tall poppy .. but for goodness sake .. build a bridge and get the hell over it ..
put up or shut up in THE most appropriate forum to have the perceived wrong doings righted. (a little tip - this place aint it)
... or at least find something else to whinge about re this company or level the playing field and include a few others in as well!
*** is NOT the only mob on this field ..
(AND .. before you start .. I am NOT in anyway shape or form connected to/with ANYONE from *** nor do I wish to be.)
I now see this 'new thread' has appeared and wonder what the merit of it is.
I have come to this conclusion:
Those without some life experience are very quick to shoot from the hip despite what some of us with some life experience have been trying to tell those without.
Anyone who is an employee who doesn't protect themselves adequately against any unscrupulous action by ANY (read ANY not just the named respondent in the IRC action) employer, in ANY (read ANY profession - not just aviation related professions) needs their head read.
Now I realise that some peoples' idea of sport is to have a crack at a tall poppy .. but for goodness sake .. build a bridge and get the hell over it ..
put up or shut up in THE most appropriate forum to have the perceived wrong doings righted. (a little tip - this place aint it)
... or at least find something else to whinge about re this company or level the playing field and include a few others in as well!
*** is NOT the only mob on this field ..
(AND .. before you start .. I am NOT in anyway shape or form connected to/with ANYONE from *** nor do I wish to be.)
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The Voice a longtime and respected PPRuNer says,
and;
sorta and as usual got it in one.
I might add from reading the IRC decision, that ANY applicant needs to do a whole lot better than was perceived. The IRC can't read you mind or help you unless you can get yourself organised. Otherwise you waste their and the respondents time and you still expect them to take you seriously.
Having said that, this Woomera like that Woomera has had enough of Goround Goround and his alter egos trying to screw with our heads.
We have been very patient so far and that Woomera has been more than usually accomodating, with our support, in what we would usually allow, in the hope that the benefits of his considerable experience in this area would be found useful to ALL of the parties involved.
Some people just don't get it.
Goround Goround, it's your call now and we totally support whatever that Woomera decides will be your fate and "the judges decision will be final and no correspondence whatsoever, will entered into".
We don't care who you are or whether you like it or not , we run PPRuNe, you choose to come here and you agree to play by our rules, the choice, as always around here, is yours.
Anyone who is an employee who doesn't protect themselves adequately against any unscrupulous action by ANY (read ANY not just the named respondent in the IRC action) employer, in ANY (read ANY profession - not just aviation related professions) needs their head read.
put up or shut up in THE most appropriate forum to have the perceived wrong doings righted. (a little tip - this place aint it)
... or at least find something else to whinge about re this company or level the playing field and include a few others in as well!
*** is NOT the only mob on this field ..
... or at least find something else to whinge about re this company or level the playing field and include a few others in as well!
*** is NOT the only mob on this field ..
I might add from reading the IRC decision, that ANY applicant needs to do a whole lot better than was perceived. The IRC can't read you mind or help you unless you can get yourself organised. Otherwise you waste their and the respondents time and you still expect them to take you seriously.
Having said that, this Woomera like that Woomera has had enough of Goround Goround and his alter egos trying to screw with our heads.
We have been very patient so far and that Woomera has been more than usually accomodating, with our support, in what we would usually allow, in the hope that the benefits of his considerable experience in this area would be found useful to ALL of the parties involved.
Some people just don't get it.
Goround Goround, it's your call now and we totally support whatever that Woomera decides will be your fate and "the judges decision will be final and no correspondence whatsoever, will entered into".
We don't care who you are or whether you like it or not , we run PPRuNe, you choose to come here and you agree to play by our rules, the choice, as always around here, is yours.
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I fully agree with T3000. If you work at this company, keep a detailed record of everything that happens as you may (probably will) be needing it at some time.
What we have here is two "pretty boys" who were mates and they had a falling out and the gloves came off. They have now publically portrayed themselves as clowns. The company seems to runs on cash in hand and mate's favours, blinds itself to serious breaches of the regs when it suits and turns on it's staff like a wounded taipan when it gets rough. The pilot sounds like he was running out of lives anyway and maybe better suited to a career where inocent passengers lives are not under his control. Basically, noone wins here and they both deserve to be embarrassed for their actions. This saga should be printed out and included in the CPL syllabus as a required reading.
Lesson for GA pilots - Don't use a handgrenade to attack someone who is in the same room as you.
Gin.
What we have here is two "pretty boys" who were mates and they had a falling out and the gloves came off. They have now publically portrayed themselves as clowns. The company seems to runs on cash in hand and mate's favours, blinds itself to serious breaches of the regs when it suits and turns on it's staff like a wounded taipan when it gets rough. The pilot sounds like he was running out of lives anyway and maybe better suited to a career where inocent passengers lives are not under his control. Basically, noone wins here and they both deserve to be embarrassed for their actions. This saga should be printed out and included in the CPL syllabus as a required reading.
Lesson for GA pilots - Don't use a handgrenade to attack someone who is in the same room as you.
Gin.
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Captain Marvelous indeed thats all we have learned "Vainglorius".
Therefor could the Citation with dust accumulating on it at Darwin be described as a "Vainglorius" one?
Womera - You stole my sandpit analogy...niiiiiiice
Therefor could the Citation with dust accumulating on it at Darwin be described as a "Vainglorius" one?
Womera - You stole my sandpit analogy...niiiiiiice
HA has put a printout of the case in the pilots room at NAC for all his pilots to read, also as a warning as to not to take him to the cleaners. NB. I am not stating whether it was a fair or unfair case.
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The fact that management have placed a printout of the dispute findings up in the pilot or staff room ( if they indeed have) is an indictation that the management have totally missed the point. The message is meant to be some sort of warning to staff to not mess with management, much like the ancient mongols placing the head of a traitor on a post by the gates to the village. This is what happens to people who mess with us!!
The fact is that although the pilot failed (deservedly) to win his case, the IR board found that the company management was as much at fault in many ways and ran a very slap-happy business with a highly questionable business and staff relations culture.
HA is essentially allowing everyone who reads the print out to be reminded everyday that he has been formally identified as a less than professional manager and has failed miserably in any aspect of company human relations. After all, there was a lot of blame sent his way in that IR findings too. nobody won that one. Just two losers with their bottom lips sticking out!
The fact is that although the pilot failed (deservedly) to win his case, the IR board found that the company management was as much at fault in many ways and ran a very slap-happy business with a highly questionable business and staff relations culture.
HA is essentially allowing everyone who reads the print out to be reminded everyday that he has been formally identified as a less than professional manager and has failed miserably in any aspect of company human relations. After all, there was a lot of blame sent his way in that IR findings too. nobody won that one. Just two losers with their bottom lips sticking out!
